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On Nov 28, 2012 7:38 AM, "Ross Gardler" wrote:
> Forgot a few for the list...
>
> Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how
> an appropriate book chapter might apply to thei
Forgot a few for the list...
Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how
an appropriate book chapter might apply to their project. This was recently
reported in their board report and early feedback is very positive.
OpenOffice are building a "course" for new commun
Continue the retirement vote, and see if it passes in IPMC. If it does, I
will gladly setup shop in github. If it doesn't, Chukwa community should
prepare for Chukwa 0.6.0 release, and start voting on Chukwa 0.6.0 release,
and follow by vote for graduation. Content in Chukwa trunk contains a
num
Thank you, Sally. This information is very helpful.
regards,
Eric
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Thanks, Suresh. Hello Eric, Ross, and IPMC members.
>
> We --ASF Marketing & Publicity-- are happy to work with any (P)PMC on a
> project's publicity once the project has
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
>
The various comparisons are distractions. Let's focus on Chukwa and what can
be done.
> If we are going to move forward, more time in incubation is not a realistic
> option. The only way is vote for graduation and avoid the vicious cycle of
>
Hi Suresh,
Anymore time spend in incubator is not productive. Developers would feel
threaten by the fact that the project is coming to the end and stop
contributing. I think the only way forward is to vote for graduation or
setup shop on github. IPMC can make good decisions when they are well
i
Hi Alan,
In Wink, you voted +1, and in Chukwa, you voted -1. While the status are
similar between Chukwa and Wink, but what is the logic behind your votes?
In addition, Chukwa and Kafka are similar, and some Kafka design are
borrowed from Chukwa. Does your relationship with Kafka influence your
Thanks Chris, realized I will be in good company which added to my motivation
:)
Hi Adam,
I added myself to the wiki.
Looking forward for the project to take life,
Suresh
On Nov 27, 2012, at 8:43 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)"
wrote:
> +1 great to hear that you are on board, Suresh.
>
> C
+1 great to hear that you are on board, Suresh.
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Adam Berry wrote:
>
> Fantastic, thanks for the offer.
>
> Could you add your information to the proposal wiki, or go ahead and send it
> to me and I'll add it.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
>
> On Nov 27, 2012,
Fantastic, thanks for the offer.
Could you add your information to the proposal wiki, or go ahead and send it to
me and I'll add it.
Cheers,
Adam
On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I am in general interested on the distributed application debugging. I can
> see
Thanks, Suresh. Hello Eric, Ross, and IPMC members.
We --ASF Marketing & Publicity-- are happy to work with any (P)PMC on a
project's publicity once the project has graduated from the Incubator.
We can issue a press release to announce the graduation --similar to [1], [2],
and [3]. Once you're
Forgot a couple for the list...
Lucy is running a book club - they meet on Google Hangouts and discuss how an
appropriate book chapter might apply to their project. This was recently
reported in their board report and early feedback is very positive.
OpenOffice are building a "course" for new c
Hi Adam,
I am in general interested on the distributed application debugging. I can see
some overlap with Airavata project as well. I think I can help out and
volunteer to mentor the project.
Cheers,
Suresh
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Adam Berry wrote:
> Hi IPMC members,
>
> we find ours
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> I wonder if we can ask that incubation proposals include how they intend
> to get the message out there. What channels are relevant for the project?
> I guess what are their marketing plans.
>
> Eventually, we'd have a collection of old inc
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> My thought here is that ComDev is a source of useful advice, not a
> group of people to do the work.
>
>
+1, not only ComDev, but actually IPMC as well, as it's actually the PMC
that has the most experience with regards podlings and what
Hi IPMC members,
we find ourselves in need of an additional mentor for this project, which we
are currently in the process of on boarding.
You can see the proposal on the wiki at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HadoopDevelopmentToolsProposal.
Cheers,
Adam
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to
> be someone in the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
>
> - press
> - community events
> - mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers)
> -
The IPMC has approved the proposal to recommend the resolution to the Board.
Results: 8 "+1" votes, no "0" votes, no "-1" votes.
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz (IPMC)
+1 Greg Reddin (IPMC)
+1 Dave Fisher (IPMC)
+1 Chris A. Mattman (IPMC)
+1 Alan Cabrera (IPMC)
+1 Suresh Marru (IPMC)
+1 Christian Grobmei
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, November 25, 2012, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Chukwa community has voted to retire the project.
>>
>> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote
>> on confirming this decision.
>>
>>
Apologies for the cross post, but I am including press since Eric has some
constructive observations here.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
> I'm mostly just a lurker on this list, having thought about bringing a
> project to Apache about 24 months ago[1], realizing we didn't
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:16 AM, ant elder wrote:
> Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
> basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
> continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
> elsewhere. Its not like
On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>> ...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
>>
>> It's on the private Chukwa list. How can I get
Unless there are compelling reason to stop, i.e continuing breaches of
basic ASF polices and principles, then where possible letting a poddling
continue incubation or just graduate seems better to me than making them go
elsewhere. Its not like a small slow problem is chewing up ASF resources,
but i
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> What is described above is exactly what mentors should be doing in an
> informal way. What Alan says happened below is what is proposed above.
>
> I've not been following the project and can't agree or disagree with
> Alan's interpretation of ev
Alan,
I get that. I'm supposed to be more the admin support here than the
autocrat. I'm trying to help the IPMC find a consensus position --
within the parameters of the IPMC's mission. I have no problem with
that position being retirement. I am prepared for it to be a brief
extension, and I am co
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> ...URLs? My brain's too small to remember all these discussions ;-)
>
> It's on the private Chukwa list. How can I get these URLs?...
Message-ID is fine in this case - sorry I though
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
> Sent: 27 November 2012 14:30
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: What constitute a successful project?
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Nov
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
wrote:
> Thinking in general not on this specific case, may be we can define a
> formal warning for retirement for podlings where the PPMC has to come up
> with a concrete plans for the next six months and some measurable goals.
A
On Nov 27, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
>> ...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement
>> was raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
>> Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the
On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
>> I will accept the voting result from IPMC,
>> and I wish IPMC would use better human sense to enable future project to
>> flourish.
>
> This sounds like you're frustrated with your mentors. I'm sorry for
> that and take part of the responsi
Benson,
I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
raised. A lengthy discussion ensued. Consensus was garnered. We even added
committers with the hopes of infusing new energy into the project.
Sometimes, you just can't get ultimate consensus on retirement and
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
>> resolve this.
>>
>> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
>> so my -1 s
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:57 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> wrote:
>>> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
>>> another chance, like you seem to be re
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> ...I will remind the IPMC that seven months ago the specter of retirement was
> raised. A lengthy discussion ensued.
> Consensus was garnered. We even added committers with the hopes of infusing
> new energy into the project...
URLs? My b
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann <
> bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting
>> wrote:
>> This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually).
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote:
> While I think that it's laudable for IPMC members to step in and offer to
> mentor, we should remember the danger of becoming a crutch...
Definitely - the goal of an incubation mentor should be to become
redundant, as quickly as possible ;-)
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
>> another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
>> with that.
>
> As usual a -1
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
>> ...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
>> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
>> another try, i've offered to
Hello guys,
I want to understand Chukwa community building strategy better. Are
there any insights why companies which use Hadoop (in Moscow those
include Deutche Bank, Yandex, Rambler and Microsoft) do not crowd
around or stay in line to get a chance to use Chukwa?
--
With best regards / с наилуч
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:55 PM, ant elder wrote:
> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
> resolve this.
>
> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
> a
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
> Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
> metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
> pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
> this evaluation other t
The more the merrier! :)
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:50 PM, ant elder wrote:
> Great to hear, one month seemed too short to accomplish so much. I'd be
> happy to volunteer as another mentor if some fresh eyes will help.
>
> ...ant
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Alan Cabrera
+1, and I think we can close it. As I see it, a hand with three
mentors beats 5 other members :-)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Christian Grobmeier
wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
> have fun!
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>> This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex
As chair of the IPMC, I do not think that it is appropriate to have a
vote to continue incubation for six months, with no consideration of
success in between. I think that it would be reasonable to put aside
the vote to retire, and expect a plan, with contributions from more
than one non-mentor, in
Welcome back Craig ;)
Regards
JB
On 11/27/2012 02:44 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Craig is returning to active duty as a mentor. He never actually quite
managed to leave this PMC, but anyhow we're happy to see him around.
-
To
Welcome aboard Andrew.
Regards
JB
On 11/27/2012 02:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
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On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
> Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
> metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
> pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
> this evaluation other th
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
> Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
> metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
> pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
> this evaluation other
+1 (binding)
have fun!
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex podling from Apache
> Incubator.
>
> Apache Flex entered the Incubator in December of 2011. We have made
> significant progress with the project since moving over to Ap
+ 1 (binding).
All the best as TLP,
Suresh
On Nov 22, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
>> ...This is a call for vote to graduate the Apache Flex podling from Apache
>> Incubator...
>
> We need to see the proposed resolution here
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
> need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
> clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
> This may not always be th
One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the
need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a
clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it.
This may not always be the appropriate way to think about retiring a
podling, but it's clear
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
> I'd hope we can demonstrate finding consensus rather than using the vote to
> resolve this.
>
> I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
>
Google Summer of Code is an excellent opportunity to attract fresh
blood to your project and it is a good practice for a podling to
participate.
GSoC students are potential committers, there will be a splash of
discussion on your @dev list, the podling will be promoted, etc. -
actually all techniq
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
> > If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
> > another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
> > with that.
>
> As usual a
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> If people who -1 the retirement agree to mentor Chukwa to give it
> another chance, like you seem to be ready to do, I have no problem
> with that.
As usual a -1 should be backed by a credible alternative. I'm willing
to step in,
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Bernd Fondermann <
bernd.fonderm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jukka Zitting
> wrote:
> This is exactly what we did for the last months (years, actually).
> Give it yet more time.
> Honestly, I don't understand why we should continue
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM, ant elder wrote:
> ...I still think forced retirement doesn't seem the right thing in this case
> so my -1 stands. In the other thread Alan now seems open to giving them
> another try, i've offered to help with that (any other offers of help?),
> what have we got t
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...growing communities is really, really, hard,
> and I don't know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does,
> it might be the comdev committee...
I agree with this, the incubator is busy enough helping podlings
become top-level
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity level
> dropping off significantly after the first year or two.
Sorry, correction: Chukwa has been incubating since July 2010 after
being a part of Hadoop earlier. Got conf
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Eric Yang wrote:
> Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
> metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
> pre-defeined time limit.
Chukwa has soon spent four years incubating, with the activity le
Apache is a non-profit organization. If we restrict our thinking model to
metrics of how many developers, and how many patches are committed in
pre-defeined time limit. There is no software that is gong to succeed in
this evaluation other than commercial software. Paid developers are
contributin
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