Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Here are some of the things that guide me in my decision-
> making about governance and Apache communities. Please
> feel to add you own thoughts on the subject!
>
> 1) Fairness and Equitable Treatment- that it is wrong to apply
> different standards to different people base
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 1 February 2012 22:13, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
> >
> >
> > It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
> > for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
>
> Thanks for
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 21:22, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>...
>> VP Project Incubation
>> works with those Champions. Much like the foundation-wide security@a.o team
>> works with all the individual projects as a resource
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> On 2/1/2012 5:11 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd modify your proposal just a smidge. Keep an Incubator VP with a very
>>> small
>>> operational commit
On 2/1/2012 6:52 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies
> wrote:
>> don't we also have jukka?
>
> Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not
> need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already
> JackRabbit Chair,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> don't we also have jukka?
Jukka expressed (to be found somewhere in the archives) he does not
need additonal workload at the moment. In addition he is already
JackRabbit Chair, not sure, but I think 2 chair roles are not possible
at one ti
don't we also have jukka?
On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson.
>
> I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
> chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my fe
+1!
>
> From: Marvin Humphrey
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:20 PM
>Subject: Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re:
>NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
>
>On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:16:22AM +0100
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:16:22AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
> chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings
> in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas.
Mattmann has been a d
Hello all,
the vote passes, we received 7 binding+1 votes.
No other votes we received.
The following people voted:
+1 Benson Margulies
+1 Tommaso Teofili
+1 Chris A. Mattmann
+1 Isabel Drost
+1 Mark Struberg
+1 Christian Grobmeier
+1 Alan D. Cabrera
Thanks to everyone for voting!
Jörn
On 1/18
On 2/1/2012 5:11 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>>
>> I'd modify your proposal just a smidge. Keep an Incubator VP with a very
>> small
>> operational committee just to help move the podling through the entire
>> process
>> of wran
On 2/1/2012 5:14 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that this ups the ante quite a bit on the accidental
>> argument I started about mentor qualifications. The board absolutely
>> does not want to have to provide direct
We have already 2 good nominations for the IPMC chair role, Noel and Benson.
I would like add a new name and nominate Chris Mattman as the IPMC
chair. He does care deeply on the incubator and expresses my feelings
in many ways. In addition he is a damn nice guy with many ideas.
Cheers
Christian
On 1 February 2012 22:13, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
>
>
> It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
> for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
Thanks for the reminder Joe. I recall that thread now. I find it
interesting reading my
On 2/1/2012 4:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
>
> This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
> podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
> the advice of a small iPMC.
No. Forget IPMC. The VP, Project In
Hey Benson,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
>
> This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
> podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
> the advice of a small iPMC.
Yea Bill's amendm
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:25 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>> [...snip large thought...please check archives here to see it:
http://s.apache.org/S0i
]
>>
>> Anyways I could type more but I think I've beat this horse to death. I appeal
>> to you and to the rest of the board members readi
At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
the advice of a small iPMC. In other words, a project is born when
three? foundation members, or others deemed appropriate
On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>
>> Having said that, I should note that the context of Incubator is
>> significantly different than a normal PMC. If incubator wants to structure
>> itself more like a board and less l
Link: http://s.apache.org/qsY
It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010
for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments.
- Original Message -
> From: Ross Gardler
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 201
Joe, can you please restate (or link to the archives) the intent and
practice of your "experiment"
Ross
On 1 February 2012 22:02, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message -
>
>> From: Marvin Humphrey
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February
- Original Message -
> From: Marvin Humphrey
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> I believe
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Billie Rinaldi commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3:
TESS basic word
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John Vines commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3:
Got a start on a bit of
The word 'justification' occurred nowhere in my email. Nonetheless, I
already apologized for my poor choice of tone. I could see someone
reading my query as calling for a 'resume', but I prefer to think of
it as an 'introduction.'
I will continue to ask proposed podlings to draw a picture of their
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:40:36PM -0500, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Yes, there are good reasons why a person might depart from the role of
> mentor. My view is that this is about balance. Mentors, in my opinion,
> should be signed up to putting in the necessary effort for a
> reasonable period of t
On Feb 1, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:40, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> ...
>>> There is no "announcement". The calendar is set well in advance:
>>> repos/committers/board/calendar.txt
>>
>> OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that "patches are
>>
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> I believe this is what Marvin is alluding to when he points out that
> compentent IPMC oversight is little more than an illusive myth on most
> of our podlings.
A PPMC member, by virtue of their deep familiarity with the code base and
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:40, Dave Fisher wrote:
>...
>> There is no "announcement". The calendar is set well in advance:
>> repos/committers/board/calendar.txt
>
> OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that "patches are
> welcome" ;-)
Nah. I hate that phrase. It is patronizing an
On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:30, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is
>> NOT plenty of time.
>
> While the *reminder* may not have given you much time, note that
> podlings shoul
+1, Marvin, I couldn't agree more.
Cheers,
Chris
On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
>> willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in ca
On 2/1/2012 12:51 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 08:56, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> ...
>> I'm also trying, more pointedly, to head off the 'AWOL mentor' problem
>> by asking mentors to think about, and state, the commitment they are
>> making.
>
> But your approach is pre-judging
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:30, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is NOT
> plenty of time.
While the *reminder* may not have given you much time, note that
podlings should already know their requirements and due dates. Having
a remi
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 08:56, Benson Margulies wrote:
>...
> I have no problem with someone starting out as a mentor. *I* started
> out as a mentor not too long ago. But as an IPMC member, I'd like to
> know the experience profiles of mentors.
I think there are better ways to learn about people's
There has been a lot of heated email sent on the incubator lists in
the last few months. It was my mistake not to realize that my email
asking about mentor commitment and experience would be read in the
light of that context.
I don't claim to know why the mentor-less podlings lost their mentors,
a
Can we avoid this topic forking into another mentor going AWOL thread.
We've done that to death already.
The topic of this thread is different:
>> I think as Mentors we probably do a so so job of mentoring Podlings
>> (not bad, but not good as well). But we do a subpar job on mentoring
>> individ
- Original Message -
> From: sebb
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
>
> On 1 February 2012 15:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross
Everybody gets 'one of those' in a new year, amirite? ;)
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Tim Williams wrote:
> Wrong year:)
>
> --tim
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Apache Wiki wrote:
>> Dear Wiki user,
>>
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Incubator Wiki" for
>> c
On 1 February 2012 15:54, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
>> willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in capacity.
>
> There was a memorable post on another ASF
+1
From: Marvin Humphrey
Sent: 2/1/2012 8:06 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
> My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstr
Not much I can do about this given the way the script works.
I'd like to point out tho that the 2 weeks preceding isn't
currently being rigidly enforced at this point, and certainly
some leeway will be granted given the way the calendar works
out for February.
- Original Message -
> From
Hi,
I would like to point out that a reminder on the day the report is due is NOT
plenty of time.
> The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 February 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The
> report
> for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC report. The Incubator
> PMC
> requires your report
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 01:54:18PM +, Ross Gardler wrote:
> My point is that when we help guide individuals who demonstrate a
> willingness to contribute those individuals often grow in capacity.
There was a memorable post on another ASF list a few months ago which compared
Apache's decentral
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 08:56:01AM -0500, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I'm also trying, more pointedly, to head off the 'AWOL mentor' problem
> by asking mentors to think about, and state, the commitment they are
> making.
A lot of harsh words have been directed towards "AWOL Mentors" lately. The
mo
Here are some of the things that guide me in my decision-
making about governance and Apache communities. Please
feel to add you own thoughts on the subject!
1) Fairness and Equitable Treatment- that it is wrong to apply
different standards to different people based solely on their
(external) acc
I apologize if my choice of words here engendered a belief that I was
trying to hold mentors to a new standard.
The IPMC has been discussing the problem of mentors who don't do their
job. I'm trying to approach this problem from the front end, instead
of waiting for it to be a problem later on.
I
A discussion on the private list (about some individuals, hence
private) has turned to a useful generic topic. It has been suggested
that that part come here, so here it is (with permission from authors,
the only edit is to remove the original subject which had a personal
name in it)
-- F
Hello,
While the last release candidate found a lot of acceptance (3 binding +1 in
the ppmc) it had to be withdrawn because of missing or incorrect NOTICE and
license files. Also the source distribution contained the sources of
modules that are not part of the release profile. The new release cand
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> > On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
> >>
> >> Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
> >> as mentors,
> >
> >
Wrong year:)
--tim
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Apache Wiki wrote:
> Dear Wiki user,
>
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Incubator Wiki" for
> change notification.
>
> The "February2011" page has been changed by brianleroux:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Februar
On 2/1/12 10:39 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
as mentors,
Does mentors have to have any experience ? Is
On 1 February 2012 09:06, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
> On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>
>> Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
>>
>> Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
>> as mentors,
>
> Does mentors have to have any experience ? Is this a new policy for bei
Hi Benson,
I am an ASF Member since 2011 and, despite the TLPs in which I am
involved, I've been taking part in a good number of incubating
projects at ASF, such as BVal, Amber, Any23 (official Mentor),
DirectMemory and OGNL (graduated in commons).
I feel quiet confident that I can cover the ment
On 2/1/12 1:04 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
Dear Proposed Syncope mentors:
Please post messages on this thread indicating your prior experience
as mentors,
Does mentors have to have any experience ? Is this a new policy for
being a mentor on an incubator project, or something you just are
inter
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