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On Nov 25, 2011 5:41 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"
wrote:
>
> Ross,
>
> I don't see the champion (who is at least a mentor) and an informal PPMC
chair somehow selected among the PPMC members as interchangeable or
equivalent. My concern was
Ross,
I don't see the champion (who is at least a mentor) and an informal PPMC chair
somehow selected among the PPMC members as interchangeable or equivalent. My
concern was, to the extent that view exists (and I may simply be confused), I
don't get it.
I'd be happy to learn that I have misun
I wanted to pick back up on the reporting issue raised, separately to the
concept of an informal chair.
I'm +1 to to what Sam and Joe said. Is this something the incubator could start
working towards for the December report?
I would still like to see the podling reports either included in the r
Wow, my thread got away from me. Thanks for tying all that back together
Bertrand!
+1 to this proposal, whatever they happen to be called (I find Champion a bit
weird still, but I can see how it fits - and we don't need any more acronyms).
A couple of notes:
On 23/11/2011, at 8:29 AM, Bertrand
On 11/24/2011 6:10 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 23 November 2011 20:11, Chris Hostetter wrote:
If you are going to argue that a podling is by definition "not a project",
and therefore does not need direct board oversight, then why can't some
other "Apache Foo" act as an Umbrealla above some oth
Useful, but a difficult workflow (assuming the minutes still lag the
meetings by a long way - seems true as the last 3 meetings aren't on
the site yet).
Conjecture, but I would guess that the project finish graduation
before the minutes are published. This means that the Podling members
are no lon
+1
regards,
Eike
On [Thu, 24.11.2011 07:45], Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Good luck guys, +1 from me (binding).
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Francis De Brabandere wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since th
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote:
...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release
structure.
If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order...
ROFL - so true...
What can we do as a PMC to improve this?...
Review and improve the
+1
Am 20:59, schrieb Francis De Brabandere:
Hi everyone,
The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since then it has
made 6 releases following Apache guidelines, added 3 new committers,
and added 1 new PPMC member. The community is healthy and growing,
and we've shown an ability
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On Nov 24, 2011 5:59 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"
wrote:
>
> I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and
happens at
> Podling graduation.
The official role of PMC chair is created upon graduation, yes. But the
resp
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
>> ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release
> structure.
>
>> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order...
>
> ROFL - so true...
I understand about PMC chairs, but I thought that is for a TLP and happens at
Podling graduation.
Having PPMC chairs is a different story, and I hope I was careful not to
confuse the two. I also don't want to collapse champion and PPMC chair in
some way. I still favor the one and not the othe
On 24 November 2011 17:34, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>> On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> wrote:
>>> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
>>> would have just gone away. That coupling is certain
On Nov 24, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
>> would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political
>> motivation and purpose.
>>
>
> Th
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
>> would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political
>> motivation and purpose.
>>
>> I
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> My apologies for the diversion. I should not have said anything about my
> direct knowledge of a champion being an IPMC member or not. Whether I knew
> that or not was irrelevant to the point I wanted to make, which is now
> evidently los
On 24 November 2011 17:17, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect
> would have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political
> motivation and purpose.
>
> I think that's a terrible trick to play on a PPMC.
I think yo
I had hoped that the business of a PPMC-member champion being a VP-elect would
have just gone away. That coupling is certain to inspire political motivation
and purpose.
I think that's a terrible trick to play on a PPMC.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) [mai
My apologies for the diversion. I should not have said anything about my
direct knowledge of a champion being an IPMC member or not. Whether I knew
that or not was irrelevant to the point I wanted to make, which is now
evidently lost.
1. I find value in the idea of the original champion conti
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release
structure.
> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order...
ROFL - so true...
> What can we do as a PMC to improve this?...
Review and improve the
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual
> tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read
> general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this
> perception.
>
> Someone poses a qu
Hey Bertrand,
On Nov 24, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
>> ...Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
>> the current norm? What you describe below is really the current
>
Hi Chris,
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> ...Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
> the current norm? What you describe below is really the current
> way it's gone for me at least IMHO, with Tika, with OODT, with Gora,
> etc.
>
> P
- Original Message -
> From: sebb
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator
> sometimes just make it look that way?
>
> On 24 November 2011 15:18, Joe Scha
On 24 November 2011 15:18, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Coordination problems (getting everyone here on the same page)
> require community documentation and constant pointers to said
> documentation in order to be fully resolved.
>
> Whenever we find ourselves making contradicting statements over
> time,
Good luck guys, +1 from me (binding).
Cheers,
Chris
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Francis De Brabandere wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since then it has
> made 6 releases following Apache guidelines, added 3 new committers,
> and added 1 new PP
That would work for me, Bertrand...with the assumption that the
later *Champion* would be the eventual VP. I think that *has*
to happen and is consistent with what I have seen even now.
Which brings me to...what's the delta here between this proposal and
the current norm? What you describe belo
Coordination problems (getting everyone here on the same page)
require community documentation and constant pointers to said
documentation in order to be fully resolved.
Whenever we find ourselves making contradicting statements over
time, the healthy thing to do is to put together such a document
When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual
tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read
general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this
perception.
Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release structure.
If they are
On 24 November 2011 12:01, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:52 PM, sebb wrote:
>> On 24 November 2011 11:34, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb wrote:
On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011
I will offer a theory in response to Hoss.
The incubator has a particular and critical role in the success of the
Foundations. Projects that start well are likelier to continue well.
>From this, you might argue along with Hoss that the Board, burned once
by problems with delegated supervision, sh
On 23 November 2011 20:11, Chris Hostetter wrote:
>
> : > * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the
> : > board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf)
> : > projects.
> : >
> : > * The Board needs regular status updates on all the projects in
On 23 November 2011 20:25, Chris Hostetter wrote:
...
> : Vice President implies power, we don't want to give the impression
> : that the Champion has any superpowers (reread the thread from which
> : this one derives) - it's just a coordination role.
>
> Isn't that true of the VP Role for all A
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:52 PM, sebb wrote:
> On 24 November 2011 11:34, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb wrote:
>>> On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb wrote:
> Also, it would make sense to
+1 (binding)
GOGOGOGOGO!
Martijn
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Francis De Brabandere
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since then it has
> made 6 releases following Apache guidelines, added 3 new committers,
> and added 1 new PPMC member. The
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> wrote:
>> ...I think the Champion should be an ASF mentor, which I believe
>> to be consistent with my interpretation of the documentation on podling
>> [PROPOSAL]...
>
> I
+1 (binding)
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Rainer Döbele wrote:
> +1
>
> (But I must admit I am biased)
>
> Rainer
>
>> from: Francis De Brabandere [mailto:franci...@gmail.com]
>> to: general@incubator.apache.org
>> re: [VOTE] Graduation of the Empire-db Podling
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> The Em
: Which is exactly why I suggest extending/clarifying that role. The
: word Champion might not be ideal, but we already have it and if you
: read
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
: it can be understood to include those "new" responsibilities (as Chri
: > * Umbrella Projects add a layer of indirection that make it hard for the
: > board to know when there are problems in the individual (sub/leaf)
: > projects.
: >
: > * The Board needs regular status updates on all the projects in the ASF
: > (where podlings are considered projects)
:
: Podl
On 24 November 2011 11:34, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb wrote:
>> On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb wrote:
Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the
listing
+1
(But I must admit I am biased)
Rainer
> from: Francis De Brabandere [mailto:franci...@gmail.com]
> to: general@incubator.apache.org
> re: [VOTE] Graduation of the Empire-db Podling
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since then it
> has
> made 6 rel
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:00 AM, sebb wrote:
> On 23 November 2011 22:39, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, sebb wrote:
>>> Also, it would make sense to publish the name of the champion in the
>>> listing of podlings:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.h
Hi everyone,
The Empire-db podling joined the incubator in July 2008. Since then it has
made 6 releases following Apache guidelines, added 3 new committers,
and added 1 new PPMC member. The community is healthy and growing,
and we've shown an ability to self-govern using accepted Apache
practices.
On 24 November 2011 03:29, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> wrote:
>> I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest that the champion of the PPMC of which
>> I am a member is any of those cases. I'm certain our champion is an ASF
>> Member. I haven't checked to
On 23 November 2011 23:52, Neha Narkhede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Kafka community is excited to share that RC for release of
> Kafka-0.7.0-incubating has been +1'd over at kafka-user@incubator. Please
> try it out and vote for the Apache Kafka 0.7.0-incubating release. This is
> the first release of Kafka
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
> On Nov 23, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Neha Narkhede wrote:
>
>> Alan,
>>
It's unfortunate that the vote only took 24 hours on the Kafka list; it
>> was my understanding that votes take 72 hours.
>>
>> Because the only change was in the NOTICE
The vote now passes with 3 +1 binding votes (including 2 from dev list
vote):
Tom White
Olivier Lamy (dev list vote)
Patrick Hunt (dev list vote)
Thanks for everyone who has reviewed and voted!
I will continue with the release process.
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Bilung Lee wrote:
>
> T
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> ...I think the Champion should be an ASF mentor, which I believe
> to be consistent with my interpretation of the documentation on podling
> [PROPOSAL]...
I agree that the *initial* Champion must be an Incubator PMC member.
But
Hello,
we got one +1 vote here and one on our dev
list from an IPMC member.
We need one more +1 vote to be able to
release.
Please cast your votes.
Thanks,
Jörn
On 11/19/11 6:00 PM, Jörn Kottmann wrote:
Hi all,
please review and vote on approving the release of Apache OpenNLP.
The Apache O
Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> For now on, Marvin which sends the reminder Emails to the PMCs
> will also send reminders to all the PPMCs (via their *-dev@ lists)
> as well as the summary to IPMC.
>
> It's crucial the that
> http://incubator.apache.org/report_due_[123].txt
> page be up to date and
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