Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Doug Meil
Thanks Phil, much appreciated. On 9/7/11 12:19 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" wrote: >> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a >> priority to foster such communication. And this means asking the >> questions I asked before, e.g,. "you guys are trying to do the same >>

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sounds great! -- dims On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi wrote: > On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack wrote: >> From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence >> above comes across as a setup for our not integrating. > > How about this? > "It

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Stack
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Billie J Rinaldi wrote: > How about this? > "It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into > HBase.  However, the amount of work required would slow development of HBase > and Accumulo considerably.  We believe this warrants a podling for

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Billie J Rinaldi
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:14:26 PM, Stack wrote: > From my perspective, that is more the case though your second sentence > above comes across as a setup for our not integrating. How about this? "It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase. However, the

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Folks, > > A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have > had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the > XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal) > and we had the sa

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Folks, A bit of back story of a slightly similar situation before. We have had Axis/Axis2 projects in Apache for a long time and along came the XFire proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal) and we had the same kind of discussions as i see here. Flash forward, Both Axis2 and

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Stack
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Billie J Rinaldi wrote: > On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack wrote: > >> I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization. > > Would the following alteration be more accurate? > "It may be possible to incorporate the desired feat

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Billie J Rinaldi
On Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:34:20 PM, Stack wrote: > I agree w/ Doug that 'unlikely to' is not a correct characterization. Would the following alteration be more accurate? "It may be possible to incorporate the desired features of Accumulo into HBase. However, the amount of work requir

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Stack
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Adam P Fuchs wrote: > ...Furthermore, I believe that having both projects be part of ASF gives us > more of an opportunity to collaborate going forwards. Whether we find that > there are enough competing ideas to support two top level projects, or > whether we en

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> I think that the ASF and ASF incubator leadership should consider it a > priority to foster such communication.  And this means asking the > questions I asked before, e.g,. "you guys are trying to do the same thing > as...  Have you talked them?"  Consider it "Open-Source Project > Parenting."

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Doug Meil
Thanks for the feedback folks. I would caution that it is not possible to simultaneously optimize for both of these goals... 1) Community over code 2) Competition is good ... as both will be lost. Particularly where the latter contains the absence of inter-project communication, and competit

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Doug Meil
+1 to that. Holy smokes, that second one really sucked. :-) On 9/7/11 8:55 AM, "Shane Curcuru" wrote: >On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote: >> >> Re: "Highlander" >> >> Greatest movie ever. > >Don't forget the sequel! > >"Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One" > > >But in term

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 9/6/2011 9:56 PM, Doug Meil wrote: Re: "Highlander" Greatest movie ever. Don't forget the sequel! "Highlander: There Should Have Been Only One" But in terms of incubator proposals, technical competition is fine. - Shane

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 9/6/2011 10:07 PM, Doug Meil wrote: ...snip... I'll let the other HBase team members speak for themselves, but my request to ASF is that if somebody proposes something that nearly exactly like an existing ASF project, and it's implemented in the same language, and it even copies their code - s

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Benson Margulies
Doug, I was criticizing my message, not yours in that respect. which should have been clear from the comment justifying. On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Doug Meil wrote: > > Greetings Benson, > > re: "top-posting is generally less than ideal" > > It's funny that you would say that, because there wa

Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Doug Meil
I am writing to state my concerns with the Accumulo Incubator proposal, the HBase copy/clone. 1) “Accumulo has been in development since spring 2008.” I don’t fault anybody for being scared of HBase in 2008 – you’d have to be pretty brave to use it then. HBase 0.20 was the first release to b

Re: Accumulo incubator proposal: Statement of Concern

2011-09-07 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Doug Meil, SNIP > Lots of incubator proposals come from groups of people with little or > no prior track record at Apache or in Open Source at all. The point of > incubation is to give them a chance to either learn how to be an > Apache T