Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Volker Merschmann
Good morning, as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against the netiquette) There are two associations (german: "eingetragener Verein" abbrev. e.V.) - Team OpenOffice.org e.V., based in Hamburg. The members are

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Hollmichel
On 06/09/2011 08:06 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel < > martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to >> StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org >>

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Danese Cooper
Hi Martin...welcome. Nice to see you post here. Danese On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Martin Hollmichel < martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to > StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org > C

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-08 Thread arv...@cloudera.com
Welcome Paul! We are delighted to have you on the team! Thanks, Arvind Prabhakar On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Zimdars, Paul A (3880-Affiliate) wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Thanks this project looks awesome. I know you've already started VOTE'ing but > I'm super interested to join up. We've used Sq

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Simon, Am 09.06.2011 00:14, schrieb Simon Phipps: Presumably it would also be possible to have a group outside ASF called eg Friends of Open Office ( FOO) that raised money and put it to code development or marketing or whatever. Not saying that is the best way just its a possibility. Do

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Martin Hollmichel < martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to > StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org > Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team Op

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
> My suggestion, and that's all it is, was to seek a mentor for ASF who does > *not* > have your history, nor anyone's with that great legacy. I have no clue about OOo in the past. I have no great legacy. And I will try to help mentoring. Is that what you wanted? > Rather, the suggestion > was to

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Hi, time to introduce myself, I'm Martin Hollmichel, contributor to StarOffice/OpenOffice.org since 1994, member of the OpenOffice.org Community Council (CC) until 2010 and also Chair of Team OpenOffice.org e.V. We founded Team OpenOffice.org e.V. in 2003 to serve for the items described for the

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-08 Thread Zimdars, Paul A (3880-Affiliate)
Hey Guys, Thanks this project looks awesome. I know you've already started VOTE'ing but I'm super interested to join up. We've used Sqoop in a couple of my projects here at NASA and I am interested in contributing. I've added myself to the wiki as a committer and look forward to working with yo

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread eric b
Hi, Le 9 juin 11 à 02:51, Simon Phipps a écrit : On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Please. OK :-) Doesn't look like they do, no. They benefit the OpenOffice.org community. Mind you, that does include LibreOffice. Well, I'm absolutely NOT ok with that. There are

Re: [Flume Proposal – Introduction]

2011-06-08 Thread Jonathan Hsieh
Welcome Derek! Jon. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Derek Deeter wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm Derek Deeter, and I'm volunteering to be a committer for the Flume > project. I'm a senior engineer here at Intuit with several years of C++ > and Java experience, also with other languages/projects havi

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Andy Brown
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork.

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Andy Brown
Simon Phipps wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brownwrote: Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:38:48PM -0700, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: > [ ] +1 Accept Flume for incubation > [ ] +0 Indifferent to Flume incubation > [ ] -1 Reject Flume for incubation +1 (binding) Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscri

Re: A lot of bodies, a lot of money, and a source-dump release.

2011-06-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 07:58:38AM +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > The ASF does not muddy the waters of open source development with cash. Our > sponsors do not sponsor specific projects or activities. For this reason we > cannot ask IBM or anyone else to pay for this podling. > > I do agree that th

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread Carl Marcum
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce yourself to your fut

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
Danese Cooper wrote on 06/08/2011 09:31:24 PM: > From: Danese Cooper > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: 06/08/2011 09:31 PM > Subject: Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors > > Help me understand why the project would most benefit from that situation, > Don. First off, I mean no

[Flume Proposal – Introduction]

2011-06-08 Thread Derek Deeter
Hi All, I'm Derek Deeter, and I'm volunteering to be a committer for the Flume project. I'm a senior engineer here at Intuit with several years of C++ and Java experience, also with other languages/projects having been in the software industry for 33+ years. We will be utilizing Flume to provide

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Danese Cooper
Help me understand why the project would most benefit from that situation, Don. Mentors' main role is to help podling members learn the Apache Way so they can graduate to TLP. This project enjoys a wealth of excellent mentors and we happen to mostly be people who have worked successfully together

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: >> >>> Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:07 AM, wrote: > > In the same regard, the Team OpenOffice.org e.V. to which IBM and other > corporate sponsors provided annual financial support may now wish to > consider consolidation with http://www.frodev.org/. If that seems > inappropriate, perhaps both need to be re

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 08:51:45 PM: > From: Simon Phipps > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: 06/08/2011 08:54 PM > Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donations > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > > > > > An

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: >> >>> Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
Ross Gardler wrote on 06/08/2011 08:44:43 PM: > From: Ross Gardler > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: 06/08/2011 08:46 PM > Subject: Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors > > On 09/06/2011 01:21, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: > > "Noel J. Bergman" wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > > > Andrew Rist wrote: > >> to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. > >> searching for a more complete answer > >> > >> > > > > It would be interesting to find out if a

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:43 AM, wrote: > Don Harbison > Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative > Tel. +1-978-399-7018 > Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 > Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com > > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM: > > > From: Simon Phipps > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > D

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Andrew Rist wrote: >> to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. >> searching for a more complete answer >> >> > > It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were > accounted for since the fork. The e

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 09/06/2011 01:21, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: "Noel J. Bergman" wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM: From: "Noel J. Bergman" To: Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors Robert Weir wrote: - Community development, due to the need to develop and coor

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 07:51:20 PM: > From: Simon Phipps > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: 06/08/2011 07:52 PM > Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donation

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
Don Harbison Program Director, IBM ODF Initiative Tel. +1-978-399-7018 Mobile: +1-978-761-0116 Email: donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: > From: Simon Phipps > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Date: 06/08/2011 06:45 PM > Subject: Re: OOo Monetary Donation

RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread donald_harbison
"Noel J. Bergman" wrote on 06/08/2011 03:33:42 PM: > From: "Noel J. Bergman" > To: > Date: 06/08/2011 03:34 PM > Subject: RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors > > Robert Weir wrote: > > > - Community development, due to the need to develop and > > coordinate/collaborate with current an

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown wrote: > Andrew Rist wrote: > >> to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. >> searching for a more complete answer >> >> >> > It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were > accounted for since the fork. Th

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM, wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: > > > > > > > > I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, > > http://www.frodev.org/ > > > > Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: > > http://www.documentfou

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andy Brown wrote: > Andrew Rist wrote: > >> to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. >> searching for a more complete answer >> >> >> > It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were > accounted for since the fork. Th

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread robert_weir
Simon Phipps wrote on 06/08/2011 06:44:35 PM: > > > > I was actually thinking of Freies Office Deutschland e.V. primarily, > http://www.frodev.org/ > Interesting. That happens to also be where TDF donations go: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ -Rob -

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Andy Brown
Andrew Rist wrote: to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
http://www.teamopenoffice.de/ I believe it is at the disposal of the Community Council, so probably Louis could give a more complete answer. S. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: > to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. > searching for a more complete

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Andrew Rist
to a foundation independent of Oracle: Team OpenOffice.org e.V. searching for a more complete answer Oracle Email Signature Logo Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect Oracle Corporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 On 6/8/2011 4:19 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 8, 20

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I started looking around at the OOo website. > > I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at > http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for > funds via three processes. > > Here's what the page says: >

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Shane Curcuru
Indeed, the ASF has been consistent that monetary donations be made to the ASF as a whole, and we have not accepted targeted cash donations for specific projects in the past. And as a Foundation, we have not paid directly for development on our projects (although obviously we have a paid sysad

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Andy Brown wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: >> >> On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> >>> Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of > >>

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Andy Brown
Simon Phipps wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Dave Fisher wrote: Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways in which your funds might be used include: • Hiring independent dev

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of > the > > ways > > > in which your funds might be used include: > > > • Hiring independen

RE: Add incubator group to podling committers

2011-06-08 Thread Gavin McDonald
> -Original Message- > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:n...@devtech.com] > Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 3:51 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: RE: Add incubator group to podling committers > > Christian Grobmeier wrote: > > > I sent this to infra, but I have been told the in

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 June 2011 22:50, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the > ways > > in which your funds might be used include: > > • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. > > • Paying for part

RE: OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dave Fisher wrote: > Your donation will go directly towards helping this project. Some of the ways > in which your funds might be used include: > • Hiring independent developers to work with OpenOffice.org. > • Paying for participation at trade shows and conferences. > • Paying f

OOo Monetary Donations

2011-06-08 Thread Dave Fisher
I started looking around at the OOo website. I'm not sure if now is the time to bring this up, but at http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html there is a solicitation for funds via three processes. Here's what the page says: > Your donation will go directly towards helping this project.

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Andrew Rist wrote: > I'll quote my earlier answer [1] on that: > Our approach is to start with the main open source code - stuff with > clear provenance. The OOo extensions are more complex in terms of > licensing and other issues, but this is certainly something to revisit > at a later stage of t

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-08 Thread Andrew Rist
I'll quote my earlier answer [1] on that: Our approach is to start with the main open source code - stuff with clear provenance. The OOo extensions are more complex in terms of licensing and other issues, but this is certainly something to revisit at a later stage of the project. (acknowledged

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03) On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote: Moin Moin [1], my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since 1998 [..] I just wanted to say that this is one of the best messages I've read throughout this entire ordeal. Thanks.

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Jomar Silva (Cuca)
I just checked with my Brazilian friends involved with the BrOffice project in the past years, and it seems that all problems that we've had in the past with the OpenOffice.org trademark are now solved. Best, Jomar - To unsubscr

Re: Code covered by the Oracle grant

2011-06-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/06/2011 Andrew Rist wrote: > We are trying to provide all of the Oracle owned content in the OOo > repositories. As a longtime OpenOffice.org volunteer (mini-introduction: involved with the OpenOffice.org project since 2003, main contributions in QA, Localization and QA Tools, Italian Proje

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Manfred A. Reiter wrote (07-06-11 17:51) 2011/6/7 Danese Cooper: Well...the original owner of the code, Marco Boerries, was really fond of the name OpenOffice. No other name would do. However, Sun's lawyers were not willing to endorse a name that they couldn't secure worldwide trademarks on.

Re: Openoffice.org

2011-06-08 Thread Andrew Rist
As I understand it, the trademark issues are being dealt with by the appropriate Oracle & ASF people. It is not an issue of 'if', but 'how'. IANAL - so I'll let them handle it. Andrew On 6/8/2011 1:02 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Nothing else has been received from Oracle. You will be the thir

Re: Openoffice.org

2011-06-08 Thread Craig L Russell
Nothing else has been received from Oracle. You will be the third person to know. ;-) Craig On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: The expectation, assumption and intent behind the grant was that Openoffice.org would also be granted. In many, many ways, this trademark is just as i

Openoffice.org

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
The expectation, assumption and intent behind the grant was that Openoffice.org would also be granted. In many, many ways, this trademark is just as important, if not more so, than the actual code for the success of the podling. Have we rec'd the updated grant yet? ---

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Danese, > > > 3) LOTS of people download OOo > > Like maybe 10% of the human population of the planet. And its a big > file. > > Initially we engaged Akamai, but it quickly became too expensive. Serving > up downloads of OOo was pretty

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Robert Weir wrote: > >> - Community development, due to the need to develop and >> coordinate/collaborate with current and anticipated >> downstream consumers of the project, as well as potentially >> forging bi-directional collaborations. >

Res: Re: OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-08 Thread Jomar Silva
I finally had access to the edit function and updated the wiki. Thanks everyone for the support :) Best, Jomar -Original Message- From: Danese Cooper Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:20:38 To: general@incubator.apache.org Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: general@incubator.apache.org

RE: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Weir wrote: > - Community development, due to the need to develop and > coordinate/collaborate with current and anticipated > downstream consumers of the project, as well as potentially > forging bi-directional collaborations. > we would benefit from having incubation mentors with noted s

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Danese Cooper wrote: > We at Apache don't think that money is evil, but we also believe that seeing > our code in wide use is more important than money. OpenOffice.org is > important to the Developing World, some of whom will pay for convenience. I > would hate t

Re: OpenOffice - Wiki - Required Resources - Subversion vs. Mercurial vs. Git

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I say that the sooner one can move to uni-directional flows with the > bi-directionals out in customization and adoption layers, if anywhere, the > better.  It is difficult to conceive of any other way to get on top of the > refactorin

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:49 PM, wrote: > This is for the proposal, the "Nominated Mentors" section. > > My observation, after seeing the topics that seem to be getting the most > attention from the IPMC members on this list, is that in the the Podling > we will want to pay special attention to: >

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

2011-06-08 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, I almost forgot about that, as it is not a summit but may be the earliest date for a meeting. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/QAWochenende2011 So if some of you live rather close to Essen/Germany you may join us there. It would be helpfull to understand / speak German, as it is

RE: Add incubator group to podling committers

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Christian Grobmeier wrote: > > Out of Office? Naw. As long as I have decent Internet access (and no > > firewall > > keeping me from SSH), I'm "in the office." > And I was even pretty sure somebody said you were on honeymoon - No, we actually haven't had time for other than a couple of get-aw

Re: A lot of bodies, a lot of money, and a source-dump release.

2011-06-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
Hello, Niall, On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 10:11:02AM +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: > If you're right about the costs, they not going to hit from day one - > as the initial effort will be in building the community and building > something that can be released and very little needed in terms of end > us

Re: Re-Introduction

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote: > 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch : >> On 7 June 2011 16:27, Volker Merschmann wrote: >>> 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch : >>> > On 7 June 2011 16:08, Volker Merschmann wrote: >>> >> > Apache is community centered with an open culture. Please encourage as >>> >

Re: Add incubator group to podling committers

2011-06-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
>> I sent this to infra, but I have been told the incubator chair should >> handle this. > > I've made the changes via the command line interface. Thank you very much Noel! >> I have hear our inc-chair is ooo > > Out of Office?  Naw.  As long as I have decent Internet access (and no > firewall

RE: Add incubator group to podling committers

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Christian Grobmeier wrote: > I sent this to infra, but I have been told the incubator chair should > handle this. I've made the changes via the command line interface. I wish there were some consistency on this when accounts are setup, but that's something we can discuss with infra. Oft-times

Re: Document automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?)

2011-06-08 Thread Dave Fisher
>> Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF >> transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and >> make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing >> the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony. >> >> > >

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Eric Sammer
+1 On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: > Hi all, > > Since there have been no new conversations on this Flume [PROPOSAL] thread, > I'd like to call a vote. > > At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is > a > link to the document in the wiki: > h

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-08 Thread Eric Sammer
+1 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Tom White wrote: > +1 > > Tom > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com > wrote: > > As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few > > days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an > > Apache Incubator p

Re: Dcument automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?)

2011-06-08 Thread dsh
Actually I evaluated XSL-FO rendering engines quite excessively including Apache FOP. At that point in time (2009) Apache FOP still had performance issues in scenarios where you would generate thousands of business correspondence documents to be sent to clients on a daily basis. In the end we decid

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, can we please just end this futile discussion? I agree, that water flows one direction only. But there needs to be water first to flow in any direction. If there will be enough to establish a flow, can only be seen, once the podling is in place. The risk estimation (will the podling run

Re: Fwd: Add incubator group to podling committers

2011-06-08 Thread sebb
On 8 June 2011 07:47, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>> Can the people below be added to the incubator group so they can >>> update the ONGL website? I have hear our inc-chair is ooo (wow, that >>> acronym got somehow hijiacked in this list) - do we have a deputy >>> handling it? >>> >> >> Thirty-six

Dcument automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?)

2011-06-08 Thread robert_weir
dsh wrote on 06/08/2011 12:15:52 PM: > > Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF > transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and > make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing > the transformation natively during design

Re: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-08 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27, Ross Gardler wrote: > Khirano, > > I just noticed your mail never received a response. Sorry for that, reply > online... > > Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) > > On 6 Jun 2011, at 18:02, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > >> >> >> It has been familiar with

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-08 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/8/2011 11:12 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > >> Is that a copyleft swallow or an ALv2 swallow? > > No definitive indicator for the latter, but if it consumes parts of > the other, then it must be the former ... I believe the proper quest

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Marvin Humphrey wrote: > The code bases are already divergent and it would be very difficult to > reconcile them. To make Apache OOo "upstream" from LO would mean one > of two things OK, let's clarify for sensibility: Apache would be upstream (licensing acting as a diode), but not THE upstream.

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ian Lynch wrote: > It's no good saying "if this or if that" because we are > where we are. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle :-). Exactly. > This is really the crux of all the discussions. Is it better to maximise the > development resource through cooperation or is it better to have two >

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Tom White
+1 Tom On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: > Hi all, > > Since there have been no new conversations on this Flume [PROPOSAL] thread, > I'd like to call a vote. > > At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.  Here is a > link to the document in the wiki: >

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-08 Thread Tom White
+1 Tom On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com wrote: > As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few > days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an > Apache Incubator project. The proposal discussion thread and full text > of the proposal

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Patrick Hunt
+1 (binding) On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Yoav Shapira wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: >> Since there have been no new conversations on this Flume [PROPOSAL] thread, >> I'd like to call a vote. >> >> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current propo

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-08 Thread Patrick Hunt
+1 (binding) On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com > wrote: > >> As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few >> days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an >> Apache Incubator pr

RE: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > > Just because you choose a particular license that does not make you > > de-facto 'upstream'. You may not like that a diode only allows current to flow one way, but that is its function. The notion of upstream is simply a factual function that

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread dsh
Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony. Anyway I suspect that's

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > [...] their downstream code cannot be used. Hence, the best outcome > under the current licensing regime is for all core development to be > done here, and for TDF to be a downstre

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-08 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > Is that a copyleft swallow or an ALv2 swallow? No definitive indicator for the latter, but if it consumes parts of the other, then it must be the former ... -- Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do th

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread robert_weir
dsh wrote on 06/08/2011 10:37:46 AM: > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM, wrote: > > A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is going > > to involve document manipulations at both tiers. For example, we recently > > (at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved us

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-08 Thread Donald Whytock
Is that a copyleft swallow or an ALv2 swallow? On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> Guys, if we are going to argue over the mistakes of the pasts >>> and the slig

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Sam Ruby
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:17 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 6/8/2011 10:06 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >>> >>> 1. find a proper coherence and relevance between Apache OOo& >>> LibreOffice on a technological level and on  a distribution level >>> 2.

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread Ian Lynch
> > I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done > so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your > interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce > yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice. > Ian Lyn

Re: This list is for how not why?

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
Khirano, I just noticed your mail never received a response. Sorry for that, reply online... Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 6 Jun 2011, at 18:02, Kazunari Hirano wrote: > > > It has been familiar with us to file issues and comment on them.in the > bugzilla that we ca

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/8/2011 10:06 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> >> 1. find a proper coherence and relevance between Apache OOo& >> LibreOffice on a technological level and on a distribution level >> 2. find a proper coherence with IBM's business requirements (Symphony)

Re: Upstream/Downstream (was OpenOffice & LibreOffice)

2011-06-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 08/06/2011 16:33, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: My understanding is that the Apache OpenOffice codebase matters to IBM and anyone who would want to use the specificities of the Apache licensing, and I understand this as being a reality we can all agree on. Instead of spending hours and keystrokes p

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

2011-06-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Jonathan Hsieh wrote: > Since there have been no new conversations on this Flume [PROPOSAL] thread, > I'd like to call a vote. > > At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.  Here is a > link to the document in the wiki: > http://wiki.apache.

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 June 2011 15:40, wrote: > "Manfred A. Reiter" wrote on 06/08/2011 10:17:02 AM: > > It would be perfectly possible, and actually quite easy for > someone > > > to host the files with a scalable cloud storage provider, e.g., > Amazon, > > > and charge $0.99 for the download, the cost of an iP

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread robert_weir
"Manfred A. Reiter" wrote on 06/08/2011 10:17:02 AM: > > 2011/6/7 : > > [...] > > > We should be able to check the math from another direction. Microsoft > > claims something like 400 million Office users. Studies looking at OOo > > install share show approximately 10%. Pick some random n

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread dsh
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM, wrote: > A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is going > to involve document manipulations at both tiers.  For example, we recently > (at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved using Symphony, extended > with a Plugin, submitting d

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hi -Rob 2011/6/7 : > Danese Cooper wrote on 06/07/2011 03:43:56 PM: > >> robert_w...@us.ibm.com: >> >> Not surprisingly, you missed my point (or chose to ignore it). We at > > Honestly, your insult does surprise me. > >> Apache don't think that money is evil, but we also believe that >> seeing

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