Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > There's also a world of difference between worldwide distribution > and distribution to a self-selected subgroup. You are right that it is a big "IMHO" of everything here, but "self-selected subgroup" is not a legal term in copyrighted materia

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:29 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> >> So, any policy in the area is not really bound in the legal space, and >> more in the 'representation of ASF'-space. > > No, there is a legal distinction between work-product (the intermediate > steps) and a p

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Schaefer
There's also a world of difference between worldwide distribution and distribution to a self-selected subgroup. Niclas has no clue what he's talking about when liability considerations are factored in, and as this is not a list where legal council for the ASF makes itself available I suggest his w

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > So, any policy in the area is not really bound in the legal space, and > more in the 'representation of ASF'-space. No, there is a legal distinction between work-product (the intermediate steps) and a publication. Posts like this might attempt to muddy the distinction,

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:03 AM, Doug Cutting wrote: > It's fine to make nightly builds available, including of documentation.  All > I'm suggesting is that, just as nightly builds should not be linked to from > the general download page, nightly documentation should not be linked to > from the ge

Re: OSS Java AAC Decoder?

2009-12-07 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > Todd Volkert wrote: >> Does anyone on this list know of an existing open source pure-Java Advanced >> Audio Coding (AAC) library?  If not, are there any audiophiles on this list >> that would be interested in incubating such a project with me?

Re: [VOTE] Recommend OpenWebBeans graduation to an Apache TLP

2009-12-07 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1 (again ;-) ) On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote: > Hi; > > After  over  one  years  in  the  incubator  with   providing   three   > releases > OpenWebBeans community with  the  support  of  our  mentors  feel  that  we   > are > ready  to  propose  to  the  Incubator  PMC  

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Doug Cutting > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 6:24:18 PM > Subject: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion > > Joe Schaefer wrote: > > Exactly. That's the key difference between a release and a website, we > > can't take the re

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Joe Schaefer wrote: Exactly. That's the key difference between a release and a website, we can't take the release back. Good point. We don't mirror the website on 3rd party sites like we do releases, nor does HTTPD currently package pre-release docs as an archive that folks might download a

Re: How to put droids into the snapshot rep

2009-12-07 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On 06/12/2009, at 08:56, Gavin wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Thorsten Scherler [mailto:thorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es] >> Sent: Friday, 4 December 2009 10:35 PM >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: How to put droids into the snapshot rep >> >> Hi all,

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message > From: Paul Querna > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 5:34:18 PM > Subject: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > > William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > >> > >> I suspect that renaming /

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Paul Querna
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> >> I suspect that renaming /docs/trunk/ to /docs/dev/ would be sufficient and >> follow this best practice? > > I don't know how much folks look at the URL, but I think I've heard Roy > indicate that all developer-

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Branko Čibej
Doug Cutting wrote: > William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> I suspect that renaming /docs/trunk/ to /docs/dev/ would be >> sufficient and >> follow this best practice? > > I don't know how much folks look at the URL, but I think I've heard > Roy indicate that all developer-specific stuff should be under a

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: I suspect that renaming /docs/trunk/ to /docs/dev/ would be sufficient and follow this best practice? I don't know how much folks look at the URL, but I think I've heard Roy indicate that all developer-specific stuff should be under a dev/ URL. I think it would be

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
Doug Cutting wrote: > Branko Čibej wrote: >> So I'm not too clear on what your objections are. >> * Do you object to publishing non-released documentation on the >> project Web pages? > > I object to posting these outside of a clearly-marked developer portion > of the project's web site

[VOTE] Recommend OpenWebBeans graduation to an Apache TLP

2009-12-07 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
Hi; After over one years in the incubator with providing three releases OpenWebBeans community with the support of our mentors feel that we are ready to propose to the Incubator PMC to graduate OpenWebBeans to a Top Level Project. See the following community gr

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Doug Cutting wrote: > In the absence of specific policy then *objections* are out of order I have not objected to anything. Forgive me. I did in fact use the verb "object" in a prior message: * Do you object to publishing non-released documentation on the project Web pages?

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Niall Pemberton wrote: You're taking a policy that applies to release artifacts and stretching it to something it wasn't intended to cover. Applying the rules for releases to significant subsets of releases doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me. Subsets are subject to the same copyright

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: >> >> So, subversion publishes their trunk API docs nightly, for the >> convenience of their own developers and the surrounding tool developer >> community. All those people mostly want trunk API docs, and they want >> them mo

Re: How documentation != code, and how to "do" policy (was: Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion)

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Leo Simons wrote: So, subversion publishes their trunk API docs nightly, for the convenience of their own developers and the surrounding tool developer community. All those people mostly want trunk API docs, and they want them mostly so they don't have to run doxygen themselves. There's really no

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Branko Čibej wrote: So I'm not too clear on what your objections are. * Do you object to publishing non-released documentation on the project Web pages? I object to posting these outside of a clearly-marked developer portion of the project's web site. Then you should start

Re: Publishing api docs for Subversion

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Cutting
Branko Čibej wrote: Actually, we're talking about API documentation which in Subversion's case is generated from the sources, so yes, it is subject to release votes. But only for actual releases. Restricting the publishing of generated API documentation would imply that we should restrict access

Re: OSS Java AAC Decoder?

2009-12-07 Thread Branko Čibej
Todd Volkert wrote: > Does anyone on this list know of an existing open source pure-Java Advanced > Audio Coding (AAC) library? If not, are there any audiophiles on this list > that would be interested in incubating such a project with me? :) Do you > know of any barriers to such a project (like

OSS Java AAC Decoder?

2009-12-07 Thread Todd Volkert
Does anyone on this list know of an existing open source pure-Java Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) library? If not, are there any audiophiles on this list that would be interested in incubating such a project with me? :) Do you know of any barriers to such a project (like performance of a pure-Java l