Re: Champion needed for Incubator proposal

2008-12-18 Thread Greg Brown
Looks like that link didn't come through quite right. The message I was referring to is dated Fri, 21 Nov, 15:07. In any event, the Swing issues will be reviewed in more detail in the proposal. On Thursday, December 18, 2008, at 08:25PM, "Greg Brown" wrote: >I'll admit that I'm not terribly fa

Re: Champion needed for Incubator proposal

2008-12-18 Thread Greg Brown
I'll admit that I'm not terribly familiar with Spring Rich Client, but it appears to be based on Swing. We believe that Swing has a number of inherent limitations that make it a less than ideal foundation for future development (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200811.m

Re: Champion needed for Incubator proposal

2008-12-18 Thread melutovich
What is the difference between Pivot and Spring Rich Client? Wouldn't it be better to work together on a single framework? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Champion-needed-for-Incubator-proposal-tp20586438p21080642.html Sent from the Apache Incubator - General mailing list

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Thanks for your interest in the project :) Regards JB On Thursday 18 December 2008 - 14:13, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I would like to introduce my Apache Scrum proposal. >> >> Abstract >> Apache Scrum is a complete environme

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Aidan, agree with you and I have begin a plugin support in AutoDeploy 0.5.6 to be able to use deployment tool focus on one job. Regards JB On Thursday 18 December 2008 - 19:21, Aidan Skinner wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré > wrote: > > > I'm totaly agree wit

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
So simply and so smart :) Very good idea Gurkan :) Regards JB On Thursday 18 December 2008 - 11:24, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote: > OpenEJB, OpenJPA, OpenWebBeans > > and > > OpenDeploy :) > > > > > > From: Jim Jagielski > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Gurkan Erdogdu
OpenEJB, OpenJPA, OpenWebBeans and OpenDeploy :) From: Jim Jagielski To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:21:38 PM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > I have think

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > I'm totaly agree with Andrus. > > I think that AutoDeploy is complement of Puppet : > - Puppet can be in charge of the application server core installation, HTTP > server, etc > - AutoDeploy comes after to deploy final application in

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: I have think about new name. As AutoDeploy manages a lot of environments using agent (acting as arms), I propose : - Apache Shiva - Apache Calamar Apache Hydra :)

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 17, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Hi, I would like to introduce my Apache Scrum proposal. Abstract Apache Scrum is a complete environment manager and deployer including JEE applications and resources. It's a perfect complement to continuous integration by addin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
I'm totaly agree with Andrus. I think that AutoDeploy is complement of Puppet : - Puppet can be in charge of the application server core installation, HTTP server, etc - AutoDeploy comes after to deploy final application in the application server Regards JB On Thursday 18 December 2008 - 18:00,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Yeah, I am curious how practical it is to use Puppet to deploy JEE apps? Maybe for managing the server config files, but the actual app deployment??? (sorry, that's getting a bit OT, but I think this discussion is still useful in mapping the AutoDeploy problem domain, and hence explaining

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Other information : AutoDeploy is written in pure Java and can be deployed on all system supporting a JVM. Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net On Thu 18/12/08 15:56, "David Pollak" feeder.of.the.be...@gma

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi David, Puppet is interesting but the scope is not exactly the same : AutoDeploy is mainly focus on JEE environments (supporting all JEE resources). Nevertheless, AutoDeploy and Puppet can be complementary tool. Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Projec

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread David Pollak
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > Pizzazz (Yoav's proposition) and DeployX looks nice :) > > What do you think of Apache Prop ? My 2 cents... have you seen Puppet? http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet It's a Ruby-land tool that does many of the same things that you

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Thanks a lot Darren for your explanation :) I will take a look. Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net On Thu 18/12/08 12:14, Darren Hague dha...@fortybeans.com wrote: > Hi Jean-Baptiste, > > Yes, in the SAP

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Darren Hague
Hi Jean-Baptiste, Yes, in the SAP world "transport" means to take a package from the Dev system and deploy it to the QA/Production systems. You can find out more here: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw70/helpdata/EN/44/b4a0137acc11d1899ee829fbbd/frameset.htm You may even find some inspiratio

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
I have think about new name. As AutoDeploy manages a lot of environments using agent (acting as arms), I propose : - Apache Shiva - Apache Calamar Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net On Thu 18/12/08 08:40,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Ok, no problem here. I've already did some clicking-through. Thanks, Andrus On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Andrus, I will desactivate the outside access to WebAutoDeploy this evening (french time). Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Andrus, I will desactivate the outside access to WebAutoDeploy this evening (french time). Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net On Thu 18/12/08 11:38, "Andrus Adamchik" and...@objectstyle.org wrote: > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Demo is now ok. You can access to : http://autodeploy.j2ee.fimasys.fr/webautodeploy/app using demo/demo. Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net On Thu 18/12/08 11:38, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Concerning cluster, yes, it supports staging on nodes, etc. Concerning the demo, it's not yet available (I open the access right now) and it doesn't contains any critical information. Regards -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sour

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Dec 18, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Currently, there is not a lot of documentation (I need to produce one) but, anyway, quickly :), the deployment flow is : Step 0 : init VFS file manipulator ... So does it have some cluster deploy strategy (e.g. minimizing downtime

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Andrus, You can browse the subversion code repository and recommand to take a look on the 0.5.4 branch. Currently, there is not a lot of documentation (I need to produce one) but, anyway, quickly :), the deployment flow is : Step 0 : init VFS file manipulator Step 1 : check if an update is al

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Hi JB, A very interesting problem you are addressing with AutoDeploy. JEE deployment tools that I've seen to date don't scale too well, so this area can use lots of improvement. I've developed a similar system for a big site of one of our customers, with the main goal to manage a mid- size

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Darren, Apache Transport is really a very good name (simple to remember, language independent). In the SAP world, does it mean application deployment and management ? Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader http://buildprocess.sourceforge.ne

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Scrum

2008-12-18 Thread Darren Hague
Borrowing terminology from the world of SAP, how about Apache Transport as a name? - Darren Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: Pizzazz (Yoav's proposition) and DeployX looks nice :) What do you think of Apache Prop ? Regards JB On Thursday 18 December 2008 - 01:11, Ali Ok wrote: Currently the