Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Paul Fremantle
Yes that was the paragraph I was referring to. Paul On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:29 PM, James Dixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul, > > Are you referring to the "SOAP/Web Services offer an interesting comparison > ..." paragraph? > > If so, then I agree it is probably redundant to the Etch ration

Re: SVN move

2008-08-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: It takes at least a week for an incubating release to get out because in addition to getting everything right the first time, you need a 3 day vote in the project and a 3 day vote in the incubator. Bullshit It takes 3 days. You need 3 binding PMC votes from the Incub

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread James Dixson
Paul, Are you referring to the "SOAP/Web Services offer an interesting comparison ..." paragraph? If so, then I agree it is probably redundant to the Etch rationale and I can remove it. -- james On 8/1/08 12:34 PM, "Paul Fremantle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James > > I know its popular to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread scott comer (sccomer)
we might have overdone the committer list here a bit so nobody who made a significant contribution felt left out. :-) (in addition to what james dixson has reported about himself) for the last two months, the main contributors to the compiler and the java and csharp bindings (the core) have be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Doug Cutting
James Dixson wrote: This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator. +1 for incubation. I will gladly be a mentor. Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Paul Fremantle
James I know its popular to bash SOAP at this point, but there are simple factual inaccuracies in your "why not SOAP" section. Rather than argue about the details I'd like to point out that this section is redundant. Do you really feel you need this in there? If you do I'll start listing your inac

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread James Dixson
Well, personally I have been heavily involved in or have written outright the build system, compiler interface, and ant plug-in. I am currently working on a maven mojo and as well as a python binding that has full parity with the Java and C# bindings. I am a Manager at Cisco, but I am Developer wit

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread scott comer (sccomer)
thrift had a number of issues as we considered it more than a year ago. we thought, well, we could fix these issues, but as they'd require interface changes then we'd be breaking someone else's code and the fixes would be substantial and then we'd have to negotiate each and every one of them, b

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Louis R. Marascio
Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 01 August 2008 21:10, James Dixson wrote: I am a bit confused though about the "too good" concern, I do not think I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate? I think it was Stefano Mazzocchi who said about community building, that the o

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 14 people from one organisation on the initial committer list looks to > me like a daunting incubation. Indeed. Which of those people will actually be working on Etch going forward? A quick perusal shows a Manager and a Direct

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread James Dixson
The watercooler problem is real, but addressable. We accept that in order for a community around Etch to grow, communication has to be open. Much of our communication and discussion about Etch has been mediated over email as our intramural community is geographically distributed. It is not a stretc

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread James Dixson
Ah. Well, then I do not think there is anything to worry about as far as Etch is concerned. There are many, many potential growth points for the project. A simple example, Etch supports Java and C# language bindings today with a binary-transport. One of the committers, Seth Call, is working on a J

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Yonik Seeley
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, James Dixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator. James, could you perhaps describe how this differs from Thrift? -Yonik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMA

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 01 August 2008 21:10, James Dixson wrote: > I am a bit confused though about the "too good" concern, I do not think I > understand what you mean. Could you elaborate? I think it was Stefano Mazzocchi who said about community building, that the only "Bad Code + Great Vision" will succeed

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread James Dixson
Niclas, thanks for the support it is much appreciated. I will put you down as as 'willing' on Mentor and Champion. I understand the "at office" concern, it is a mode of operation and we (the committers) all understand the importance of public communication and consensus. I am a bit confused thoug

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Upayavira
14 people from one organisation on the initial committer list looks to me like a daunting incubation. To get some level of independence from Cisco, that will mean recruiting at least 14 new committers. That is a major task. I see Shindig having the same issue - it is moving fast, and developing w

Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

2008-08-01 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
You adressed the two concerns that I have, too, thanks. - The name. "Debian Etch" is a deeply engrained meme with the "Etch" short cut. - Office disussions. Projects where a large number of committers are from the same organization and that also have this company being invested in the project mig