Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 9-Jul-08, at 4:42 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, the Maven repository situation has little to do with the need for an Incubator. Obviously you choose to pick out everying Ron's w

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fwiw. My objection(s) had nothing to do with security. I was just responding to comments by Noel and Paul. Sorry for the tangent. BR, Jukka Zitting ---

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Jukka, fwiw. My objection(s) had nothing to do with security. thanks, dims On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Paul Querna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> [...] Until the Maven PMC stops abrog

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Paul Querna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> [...] Until the Maven PMC stops abrogating its responsibility and addresses >> the issues, there does not appear to be anything that we can do about >> Maven's flaws short of banning use of the p

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, the Maven repository situation has little to do with the need for an Incubator. Obviously you choose to pick out everying Ron's writing about the flaws in Maven / the Maven repository wh

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Aidan Skinner
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't it just a IP Clearance SVN now once people have their way with > no distinction at all between incubator and non-incubator code? > > What incentives are there left to graduate? How come a little bit of > pain that

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 05:21:24PM +, Santiago Gala wrote: >> spidermonkey is the only component that has a more restrictive license, and >> the third party licensing policy document lists MPL in the B category. So I >> th

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, the Maven repository situation has little to do with the need for > an Incubator. Obviously you choose to pick out everying Ron's writing about the flaws in Maven / the Maven repository while at the same time ca

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 05:21:24PM +, Santiago Gala wrote: > spidermonkey is the only component that has a more restrictive license, and > the third party licensing policy document lists MPL in the B category. So I > think we can choose MPL and distribute it in binary form, etc. My understandi

RE: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
Craig wrote: > So as long as your installer makes it clear to the user that the > external bits are not Apache-licensed, I read the policy as allowing > the CouchDb installer to fetch and install them and thereby > make them available to the CouchDb user. Thanks for the pointer . This makes s

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Paul Querna
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: There is no reason for a separate repository. [A separate repo] does not help protect "users" from incubator code, since users don't set the Maven configs that define which repos to use and which modules are dependencies. At best, what it does is

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Davanum Srinivas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Happy to confirm it was indeed a rant :) Just wanted folks to see all points of view before they cast their vote. Especially to at least understand why a particular "feature" was in place and think thru the pros and cons. thanks, dims William A. R

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Angela Cymbalak wrote: I think that I am in a unique position to comment on this question. I am sure there are a lot of legal things and the Maven repository that can be pointed to as reasons why not to have an Incubator but I have been very pleased with the fact that Apache *does* have the

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Paul Querna
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: There is no reason for a separate repository. [A separate repo] does not help protect "users" from incubator code, since users don't set the Maven configs that define which repos to use and which modules are dependencies. At best, what it does is

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread James Carman
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Santiago Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El mié, 09-07-2008 a las 12:41 -0400, James Carman escribió: >> Doesn't requiring a library with an excluded license pretty much throw >> the apache license part out the window? Are these optional >> dependencies? Will cou

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Angela Cymbalak
I think that I am in a unique position to comment on this question. I am sure there are a lot of legal things and the Maven repository that can be pointed to as reasons why not to have an Incubator but I have been very pleased with the fact that Apache *does* have the Incubator. It has been i

integration of photo gallery and Sanselan projects (was: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin))

2008-07-09 Thread Angela Cymbalak
Luciano, I think that this may be a workable idea. Without a doubt, we will need the image manipulation abilities of Sanselan and I have no problem helping on that project as well. I'll take a look at the Web page for the project. I'd like to get the proposal for the gallery finished soon.

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Santiago Gala
El mié, 09-07-2008 a las 12:41 -0400, James Carman escribió: > Doesn't requiring a library with an excluded license pretty much throw > the apache license part out the window? Are these optional > dependencies? Will couchdb run at all without them? The way I see it Erlang can be considered a "pl

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:41 AM, James Carman wrote: Doesn't requiring a library with an excluded license pretty much throw the apache license part out the window? No, Apache distributions contain Apache-licensed code and Apache- compatible-licensed code. Many Apache projects have dependencies

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread James Carman
Doesn't requiring a library with an excluded license pretty much throw the apache license part out the window? Are these optional dependencies? Will couchdb run at all without them? On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Philip

RE: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > There is no reason for a separate repository. [A separate repo] does not > help protect "users" from incubator code, since users don't set the Maven > configs that define which repos to use and which modules are dependencies. > At best, what it does is add an irrelevant

Re: Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Philippe Ombredanne wrote: Howdy: I am working on couchdb installers that I would like to contribute back to the project: A fully functional CouchDb install has a few external dependencies such as: - ICU (ICU License a BSD/MIT style license) - Mozilla SpiderMon

Installers for couchdb

2008-07-09 Thread Philippe Ombredanne
Howdy: I am working on couchdb installers that I would like to contribute back to the project: A fully functional CouchDb install has a few external dependencies such as: - ICU (ICU License a BSD/MIT style license) - Mozilla SpiderMonkey (MPL, GPL or LGPL) - Erlang (ERLANG PUBLIC LICENSE) - Opens