RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > we close that particular documentation loophole and have everyone > understand the "official project assets" rule. I don't disagree. And the documentation ought to speak as much to purpose and intent as technique. When we focus on technique, as technology changes, intent m

RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martijn Dashorst wrote: > > The policy on wikis is ASF-wide. I don't believe any separate Incubator > > policy is required. > However, incubator is special in this regard. Adding committers and > PPMC members needs to go through the IPMC. How does that make the Incubator special? If you stop ty

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Noel, On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Luciano Resende wrote: Based on previous discussion [1], the Tuscany PPMC has voted to grant some some community members, with proper CLA on file, to have write access to the Confluence wiki website. Is this NOT acceptable anymore?

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Craig L Russell
On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Craig Russell wrote: IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. It is a corner case because of technology, not intent. The Confluence-b

RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Luciano Resende wrote: > From what you said, we are on the same page, and this is how it happened. Right. I don't have any issue with what you've done, as described. I had no one here particularly in mind when I posted the general notice. It was actually instigated by a situation elsewhere wit

RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin Cooper wrote: > Craig L Russell wrote: > > IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn > > repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. > The policy on wikis is ASF-wide. I don't believe any separate Incubator > policy is required. +1

RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Craig Russell wrote: > IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn > repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. It is a corner case because of technology, not intent. The Confluence-backed web sites are outside of the technology assumptions

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating

2008-03-24 Thread sebb
On 24/03/2008, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These things are my fault, I think I screwed up the last cut. We'll fix > up the license and distro issues and get try again :-) > > I used: > > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/java/branches/abdera-0.4.0-incubating/ >

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl, I understand. Please do keep up the good work and continue turning users into devs. that's what counts end of the day and that's what's exactly we look for in a project that's trying to get out of incubation. We've seen so many fail (example

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Carl Trieloff
Davanum Srinivas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl, If you take a step back and think about it...this process has been like "pulling teeth". Don't you think there's room for all the folks on Qpid to be more open and forthcoming given this experience? I am sorry if t

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 3/24/08, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn > > repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. > The policy

RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Btw I'm not a great fan of insinuations that people voluntarily hide their > affiliations. If you have any material evidence then provide them, otherwise > I'd rather you keep those remarks for yourself. +1 A matter of fact claim about what an affiliation appears to be is different from a conje

RE: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rajith Attapattu wrote: > I am positive we are on the right track in building a vibrant community. I don't believe that anyone is disputing that view. > I see no reason why we shouldn't graduate. With Rupert, possibly so ... is he really the only one independent from RH and JPMC *today*? Are t

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn > repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. The policy on wikis is ASF-wide. I don't believe any separate Incubator p

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Luciano Resende
>From what you said, we are on the same page, and this is how it happened. Thanks On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luciano Resende wrote: > > > Based on previous discussion [1], the Tuscany PPMC has voted to grant > > some some community members, wit

Re: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Craig L Russell
IIRC, write access to wiki pages, distinct from write access to an svn repository, is not currently covered in the Incubator policy or guides. If nothing happens in the interim, I propose discussing this "corner case" at the Incubator Hackathon in ApacheCon EU Amsterdam in a couple of weeks

RE: Confluence Based Website Access Control

2008-03-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Luciano Resende wrote: > Based on previous discussion [1], the Tuscany PPMC has voted to grant > some some community members, with proper CLA on file, to have write > access to the Confluence wiki website. Is this NOT acceptable anymore? PMC must vote, so let's be clear on this: minimum of 3 bind

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Davanum Srinivas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl, If you take a step back and think about it...this process has been like "pulling teeth". Don't you think there's room for all the folks on Qpid to be more open and forthcoming given this experience? thanks, dims Carl Trieloff wrote: | Rupert

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Carl Trieloff
Rupert Smith wrote: Hi Daniel, Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not an employee of either RedHat or JPMC. I am an independent consultant who operates through a company called The Badger Sett Ltd. and all my contributions to Qpid thus far have been completely 'leg

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating

2008-03-24 Thread Dan Diephouse
These things are my fault, I think I screwed up the last cut. We'll fix up the license and distro issues and get try again :-) I used: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/abdera/java/branches/abdera-0.4.0-incubating/ I haven't made the tag as its not officially released. Dan sebb wrote

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Rajith Attapattu
Hi All, As Rupert mentioned we have atleast 3 legally independent comitters. These requirments are important, but what is more important is that the project has done a good job in ensuring that it operates in the Apache way and spirit. We have excellent mentors that have guided the project and h

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating

2008-03-24 Thread sebb
Which SVN tag was used to create the distribution? On 24/03/2008, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not the only problem. > > The source zip file seems to contain quite a few odd files: > > derby.log > .lock > redo.log > locks > db.lck > log.ctrl > logmirror.ctrl > log1.dat > > No

Re: Statements from Qpid mentors would help me decide... [WAS Re: [VOTE] Apache Qpid Graduation as TLP]

2008-03-24 Thread Rupert Smith
Hi Daniel, Don't forget about me. I am a currently active Qpid committer and not an employee of either RedHat or JPMC. I am an independent consultant who operates through a company called The Badger Sett Ltd. and all my contributions to Qpid thus far have been completely 'legally' independent of t

Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal

2008-03-24 Thread edward yoon
Dear IPMC, I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to continue to discuss this. Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is not a hadoop sub-project. Each different concept of project has inherently different characteristics for its domain, so by knowi

Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating

2008-03-24 Thread sebb
That's not the only problem. The source zip file seems to contain quite a few odd files: derby.log .lock redo.log locks db.lck log.ctrl logmirror.ctrl log1.dat Not sure what all the .dat files are for. They don't look like source... Also contains couchdb4j-0.1.2.jar which itself has some rather