RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >>> Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of >>> its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. >> Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir >> e

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of >> its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. > > Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir > expressed his reasons in the ab

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of > its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir expressed his reasons in the absence of a rule to that effect. An

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there a

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > After I send this message, I'm going to send a message on harmony-dev, > asking for a vote on graduation. I'm encouraging both the full harmony > community, and the full incubator community to vote. I'm confused - this is the IPMC vote or the PPMC vote? Any officia

Missing moderation

2006-10-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
david reid wrote: > BTW, has anyone looked at the files I committed while at AC US? I was wondering where the commit notices were. I just found that no one was moderating the commit list. <> I've fixed that, and moderated through what was pending. Your commit notices (and who knows how many o

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Last checkpoint, "Has the sponsoring PMC [e.g. Board] voted to accept the project?" You have a few hours yet to put a resolution on their plate for next week. And honestly - they would probably table it for review even if you gave them a month lead time, so might

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >> >> I certainly hope that the concept of 'releasing the code' isn't just a tick >> mark - I'd imagined (contrary to other proposals flying around) that it's the >> end goal of nearly any collaborative effort at the ASF, no? > > No, becau

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the development snapshot to accommodate known instability caused by work in flight, publish the snapshot with t

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there are

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Tim Ellison wrote: > > To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- > we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the > development snapshot to accommodate known instability caused by work in > flight, publish the snapshot with the required incubator disc

Re: Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I'll echo Greg's sentiment and close with something (hopefully) useful... Leo Simons wrote: > On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >> On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > >> I didn't vote, I didn't say it wa

Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there are opportunities where we can

Re: RAT

2006-10-20 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 10/20/06, david reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/20/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can >> start >> > promoting a

Re: Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty

2006-10-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 20, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Greg Stein wrote: Look. You guys are freakin' nuts. Assuming this refers to me, given the choice, I think I like the qualification "silly" better. Sheesh. Get over it already. +1, and you too! Let's all go do some actually useful stuff. - Leo "I don't f

Re: Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty (was: Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation))

2006-10-20 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/20/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Greg Stein wrote: ... > Or simply for (Incubator) people to observe how you plan to > organize the > community to get a release out the door. That's the jump-through-hoops request right there. That's not a request.

Re: Forrest? Trees?

2006-10-20 Thread Greg Stein
You're confusing commentary with -1 votes. I don't think anybody said "woah there, tex. look at this crap. you can't graduate." You asked for discussion and got it. Did anybody say these things were showstoppers? IOW, get over it. Stop with the "woe is me" :-) On 10/19/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[E

Re: OFBiz: we need help to complete the NOTICE and LICENSE files

2006-10-20 Thread Leo Simons
IANAL. I believe we still don't have definitive templates for these files :( On Oct 20, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/LICENSE I think this looks good. and NOTICE http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ofbiz/trunk/NOTICE

Harmony doing a release now would be busy work with no utilty (was: Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation))

2006-10-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:24 AM, Greg Stein wrote: On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: ... > I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage > concerns about community health and capability to please read t

Re: RAT

2006-10-20 Thread david reid
robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 10/20/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can >> start >> > promoting around the ASF to use? >> >> To be honest, I don't bel

Re: New Name for UIMA Podling?

2006-10-20 Thread Adam Lally
OK, it appears that my suggestion to rename was misguided. I am happy to keep the UIMA name as well. -Adam Otis Gospodnetic wrote: +1 for UIMA, even if some other ones are cute. Keeping UIMA makes it easy (for me) to pull just relevant pages from Google, Technorati, Simpy, etc. instead of al

Re: Forrest? Trees?

2006-10-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm pretty resigned to the fact that we're not going to be able to present a resolution to the board this month for Harmony. I do keep a flicker of hope, mainly because I'm an eternal optimist. I do think it's a shame, because I believ

Re: RAT

2006-10-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/20/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/19/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this something you would bring over to the ASF, and which we can start > promoting around the ASF to use? To be honest, I don't believe it's a good fit. Not every project needs

Incubator backlog

2006-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
Just so it is crystal clear: I am neither looking for a quota, nor do I have specific pet projects I want to see graduate. I simply view the current backlog as unhealthy. Just for fun, I wrote a silly little script, attached below. It computes two types of averages for projects currently in

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Tim Ellison
Greg Stein wrote: > On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right. I said it would be useful to see if the community can make it > happen. I know that *some individuals* can, but that is different. I > didn't vote, I didn't say it was a requirement, just asked: why can't > you pul