RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) > I'll let you know when I get there. According to some, disagreeing with Roy is the obligatory Right of Passage. ;-) > > But I agree with you: "It is absolute nonsense to have some

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in > > incubation of a project Goes without saying. :-) More on the rest in a bit. --- Noel - To unsubscri

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

My apologies -- I only counted replies to the vote that I called for on Tuesday. Always good to have more +1's. Ted On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:12 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: You miscount. I voted +1 weeks ago. Ted Leung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the fo

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

You miscount. I voted +1 weeks ago. Ted Leung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the following votes (nine of which were cast by PMC members), the Heraldry proposal has been accepted for incubation under

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

Ted Leung wrote: On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote: Assuming we decide to start ppmcs with a chair, there's no reason you couldn't start with one of the mentors as the chair and make it an objective to exit with one of the incubated committers as the chair. Given that I know

[VOTE][RESULT] Incubator PMC to accept Heraldry project for incubation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Based on the following votes (nine of which were cast by PMC members), the Heraldry proposal has been accepted for incubation under the sponsorship of the Incubator PMC. Ted Leung +1

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 14, 2006, at 10:51 AM, David Blevins wrote: I have the gut feeling there is something we can do to marry these concerns, as my primary concern is how the incubation ends. I.e. I think there should be an opportunity before incubation ends to learn to function *with* that person and

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

Sorry, I can't resist... On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator PMC. This is some of that non-hierarchical, peer-based stuff you were talking about, right

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

The branding page says that a podling must be referred to as Apache "Podling-Name" and I think this is consistent with that. A quick poll of podling websites shows this to be the norm. http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html Right. We tried to do the best http://incubator.apache.org/adf

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote: Would probably also be a good idea to fix the tuscany page itself..It mentions that it is in the incubator, but the page title and header is Apache Tuscany.. The branding page says that a podling must be referred to as Apache "Podlin

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On 7/14/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in > incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need > for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. --

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bruce Snyder wrote: > What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be > members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was > used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an > incubating project

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On 7/14/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That doesn't mean people need to be an ASF member to be involved in incubation of a project -- they simply don't meet the required need for a Mentor who is an ASF member. +1. -- justin -

Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

+1 (non-bindig) -Matthias On 7/14/06, Paul Querna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ted Leung wrote: > It seems like the discussion on Heraldry has died down, so I'd like to > call for a VOTE on accepting Heraldry into the incubator. > > In keeping with Apache practice, I'd like to allow 72 hours or s

Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator

Ted Leung wrote: > It seems like the discussion on Heraldry has died down, so I'd like to > call for a VOTE on accepting Heraldry into the incubator. > > In keeping with Apache practice, I'd like to allow 72 hours or so for > the vote to close, so please vote by 11:59PST on Thursday July 13th. >

Re: [VOTE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

+1.. Mvgr, Martin Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, There has been plenty of discussion around the CeltiXfire proposal, we feel that all the issues forwarded have been addressed, and we would now like to officially propose CeltiXfire to the Incubator for consideration. The proposal can be found i

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) I'll le

Re: Use of Incubating Project Names without mentioning Incubator?

Would probably also be a good idea to fix the tuscany page itself..It mentions that it is in the incubator, but the page title and header is Apache Tuscany.. Mvgr, Martin Mike Edwards wrote: Dion, You're right. It should mention Incubator. I apologise for this oversight and I'll get it fixe

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

Roy T. Fielding wrote: > It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through > the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway > point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) But I agree with you: "It is absolute nonsense to have some

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator P

RE: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Could someone point to the post that would explain how it should be fixed? To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be ele

RE: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

Bruce Snyder wrote: > What do you mean fix the doc? Is it not the policy that mentors be > members? I've seen and been involved in discussions where this was > used as a reason that non-members could not be mentors of an > incubating project. Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Memb

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Ted Leung wrote: On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:16 PM, David Blevins wrote: In the ASF we do have PMC Chairs, period. Now let's say, someone wins this debate on wether or not having a PMC Chair from inside or outside the project is more or less likely to result in d

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On 7/14/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kenneth Tam wrote: > > > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html > > > "A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache > > Soft

[doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

On 7/14/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html > "A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache > Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in > the d

Re: [pre-proposal] AsyncWeb

On 7/14/06, Dave Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We probably need to check up on that one. The project was released to Safehaus way back in Feb, and has been developed there since. However, I developed the original source code at my place of work, so I guess I may need a clearence form or somet

Re: [VOTE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

+1 (non-binding) On 13 Jul 2006, at 07:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: Jason van Zyl

Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

On 7/13/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kenneth Tam wrote: > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html > "A Mentor is a role undertaken by a permanent member of the Apache > Software Foundation and is chosen by the Sponsor to actively lead in > the di

Re: [VOTE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

+1 On 13/07/06, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, There has been plenty of discussion around the CeltiXfire proposal, we feel that all the issues forwarded have been addressed, and we would now like to officially propose CeltiXfire to the Incubator for consideration. The proposal can

Re: [pre-proposal] AsyncWeb

peter royal wrote: > > dave, do you hold full copyright to put you in a position to make a > grant? > We probably need to check up on that one. The project was released to Safehaus way back in Feb, and has been developed there since. However, I developed the original source code at my place