Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Brett Porter
What about maintaining both as branches of the CeltiXFire project? - Brett On 01/07/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 - The XFire community will definitely still need the ability to make releases after we graduate. As you said, there are big incompatabile changes (I think of this

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Dan Diephouse
+1 - The XFire community will definitely still need the ability to make releases after we graduate. As you said, there are big incompatabile changes (I think of this as like a 2.0) and its a merge, so we can't leave existing users in the dust. - Dan Guillaume Nodet wrote: Could you please e

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Adinarayana Sakala
Hi Jim and Dan, Yes, Celtix team might have do point releases as well. - Adi On 6/30/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, up until the podling can make releases, the old "external" projects still can do releases. However, it's expected that once the podling starts releases, that t

RE: Renaming Heraldry

2006-06-30 Thread Drummond Reed
I too like Heraldry (why exactly don’t folks want to use it?) But if we must rename it, a suggestion is “3i” (interoperable Internet identity). =Drummond _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Recordon, David Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:44 AM To: ge

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Could you please explain the rational behind that ? When merging two existing code bases, the two community will certainly focus on the merge, but existing users should not be left without any support. Even when the podling start release something, there are big changes that the new project will

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
Yes, up until the podling can make releases, the old "external" projects still can do releases. However, it's expected that once the podling starts releases, that the 2 external ones shut down. On Jun 30, 2006, at 9:30 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote: Hi Jim, Even once we're in the incubator the XFire

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Erik Abele wrote: On 30.06.2006, at 15:22, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that bothers me is that there is a very small handful of ASF people (committers and members) participating in standards e

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-30 Thread Erik Abele
On 30.06.2006, at 15:22, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that bothers me is that there is a very small handful of ASF people (committers and members) participating in standards efforts. perhaps o

Re: Standards Documentation [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project]

2006-06-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: pages tend to be collected within directories so probably www.apache.org/dev/standards.html would be a better location but sounds good. /dev/standards/index.html, and then individual ietf.html, jsr.html, w3c.html? That works. knowing which projects are (reference

3 cheers for docathon-ers!

2006-06-30 Thread Leo Simons
(Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!) Heya gang, just went to read through a bunch of the new incubator site. I think y'all did an amazing job this week; things are so much clearer now. Many thanks! (I'm sure that's on behalf of everyone 'round here as well as future podlings) cheers, Leo PS: now that

Re: Renaming Heraldry

2006-06-30 Thread Peter Davis
In the spirit of bob blakely¹s presentation at catalyst, how about sibyl or sibyllic As in an oracle? =peterd On 6/30/2006 4:43 AM, "Recordon, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The reason we've leaned against naming it after a specific technology is that > we don't want the name to limit

Standards Documentation [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project]

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > One thing that bothers me is that there is a very small handful of ASF >> people >> (committers and members) participating in standards ef

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Dan Diephouse
Hi Jim, Even once we're in the incubator the XFire project will still have to do releases. We have a 1.2 release in progress and will be doing bug fix releases as well. Additionally, I would imagine IONA might want to issue a bug fix release at some point for Celtix. I can't really comment on

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-30 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that bothers me is that there is a very small handful of ASF people (committers and members) participating in standards efforts. perhaps one way to reduce the friction would be for somene to ad

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
We've handled these types of things before, for example with SpamAssassin and Cayenne, when external codebases were being folded into the incubator. What they've done is mention on the old sites that the projects are now ASF Incubator projects, etc... The intent is that until the code has been rel

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread Paul Fremantle
Robert +1 I think also, given that I understand that the Celtix and XFire projects will remain alive outside, at least for the initial future, that it would help reduce confusion to have a separate and distinct name for the Apache project. Paul On 6/30/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites & docs will at the > old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire > releases a .0 release. I think Celtix will

Re: Renaming Heraldry

2006-06-30 Thread Rich Bowen
> >From conversations at ApacheCon, and gentle nudging at dinner last night = > from Danese Cooper, it sounds like we should come up with a better name. = > The current thought is "Ibid". So it works in "ID" and has a good = > geeky literary reference. Hmm. I rather think it's one of the better

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/30/06, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/29/06, Martin Sebor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sophitia que wrote: > [...] > > I don't think it's unreasonable that we expect proposing parties to at > > least browse and read parts of the incubator web site prior to a > > subm

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/29/06, Martin Sebor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sophitia que wrote: [...] > I don't think it's unreasonable that we expect proposing parties to at > least browse and read parts of the incubator web site prior to a > submission. Our obligation, as the incubator, would be to 1) ensure that >

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/29/06, Carl Trieloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I will be submitting a proposal soon, and have followed the form of the most recent submissions. Will this discussion have material impact on the form of a submission in the next few weeks? of course :-) the mailing lists are the primary

RE: Renaming Heraldry

2006-06-30 Thread Recordon, David
The reason we've leaned against naming it after a specific technology is that we don't want the name to limit the project as it moves forward. While the main focus certainly is around OpenID today, the Identity Provider component certainly could support many protocols in the future. Two other

Re: [VOTE] Release Synapse

2006-06-30 Thread ant elder
+1 (non-binding) ...ant On 6/27/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 from me. On 6/26/06, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Synapse incubator would like to ask the Incubator PMC to > > release the > > Synapse project into the Apache Web Services PMC. Synapse h

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/29/06, sophitia que <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I don't necessarily disagree with this guideline it doesn't > seem that it belongs here. Until a project is accepted no formal > relationship between the proposer and the ASF exists (right?), so > this guideline cannot be enforced or ev

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-30 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/30/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that bothers me is that there is a very small handful of ASF people (committers and members) participating in standards efforts. Once you have created the implementation of something novel, there are people in both the IETF