Hani.
I haven't read your bileblog, but this email really shows a bad
attitude.
I personally don't care how good your code is. in my past experience
your code isn't worth the pain the attitude is going to cause.
Technical merit is only aspect of apache, it's about the community.
and fla
Craig McClanahan wrote:
> PS: Hani, will you *please* someday, just once, spell my name correctly so
> that Google can find your pearls of wisdom about me? :-)
:-)
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Hani Suleiman wrote:
> Just to set expectations, I will not stop saying things like 'Apache
> sucks', because I still do think that many of the processes and members
> have some terrible flaws.
I do not think, that I'm gonna like Hani (one should not mismatch "telling
the truth" and impoliteness,
On 6/22/06, Hani Suleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm fairly astounded by the amount of email generated due to my name
being on the initial committer list.
FWIW, I've been the target of more than a few BileBlog comments ... but that
has nothing to do with whether I think Hani would be a go
I'm fairly astounded by the amount of email generated due to my name
being on the initial committer list.
It is interesting to note that all the people who have objected are
those who feel personally offended by some of my writing
(specifically, the tomcat and axis2 rants...ironically my to
I hope I wasn't given people wrong impression in my early update. The
reality is that email will be the primary communication mechanism. IRC
chat is scheduled to be complimentary to email discussions, and IRC chat
minutes are made available to the email list as well.
-Original Message-
F
IMHO, all of the discussions, especially this early on, should be happening
on the mailing lists, to encourage more people to participate, and thus help
grow the community.
+1 on that.
-Matthias
--
Martin Cooper
Please send comments/questions/issues etc to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.
>
> --
On 6/22/06, Coach Wei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
XAP project infrastructure has been set up, code has been committed and
the project is up and running:
1. The initial website is set up at: http://incubator.apache.org/xap
2. The source code is at: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/xap
3.
XAP project infrastructure has been set up, code has been committed and
the project is up and running:
1. The initial website is set up at: http://incubator.apache.org/xap
2. The source code is at: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/xap
3. You are welcome to subscribe to XAP dev list via
[
Hola,
Thanks, but I'm not sure I understand what "confusion" is worried about.
The expected new jini.org is an information/community site, not a
software development site.
I'm not sure there's a significant difference (or that there should be one).
The community is developing the software, no?
Hey Jeremy,
thanks for pointing the light to it.
I created *just* a very similar ticket ;)
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-858
Thanks,
Matthias
On 6/22/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After the recent discussion on the "New Committers" thread, I'd like
to ask someone t
After the recent discussion on the "New Committers" thread, I'd like
to ask someone to create a private/ppmc list for Tuscany. I opened a
Jira for this a while ago
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-839 and someone who shall
remain nameless volunteered to do it but hasn't quite got around
Bob Scheifler wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I think
this means you need a name for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is not "jini" :)
Could you expand on why you think that? Thanks.
Maybe it is also good to emphasis that Jini is a t
Mike-
On 6/22/06, Mike Kienenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that
myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that
adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those
making the podling decisions.
I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that
myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that
adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those
making the podling decisions. Worse case, it'll be easier to merge
the two if we (myfaces) do
> I should also point you to the follow up :)
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=115092546912444&w=2
FWIW, that just emphasizes to me that the circumstances are different.
- Bob
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I should also point you to the follow up :)
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=115092546912444&w=2
Name change is something to keep in mind as you progress through
incubation...There's no hurry.
-- dims
On 6/22/06, Bob Scheifler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Davanum Srinivas wrot
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Bit more info here:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=115091704611860&w=2
Thanks, but I'm not sure I understand what "confusion" is worried about.
The expected new jini.org is an information/community site, not a
software development site. We also now
Leo-
> >Or should we create a "adffaces-ppmc" list for the adf faces incubation?
What do you *want* to do? What makes most sense?
well, MyFaces PMC is faster; but adffaces-ppmc has it's charme too.
But... after adf is a subproject we'll need to delete this list.
So, what is easier for you guy
Bit more info here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-general&m=115091704611860&w=2
-- dims
On 6/22/06, Bob Scheifler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
> I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I
think
> this means you need a name for "[EMAIL
Leo Simons wrote:
> I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I
> think
> this means you need a name for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is not "jini" :)
Could you expand on why you think that? Thanks.
- Bob
--
> 1) Is CeltiXFire planning to create an intermediary runtime or support
> endpoints or both?
CeltiXfire is focused on service creation and service consumption capabilities
at the endpoint. The architecture is flexible enough to be used in either way
- we are not trying to build to a particular
> (can you please fix your mailer to
>* not break email threading
>* wrap lines
> thanks!)
Sorry about that.
-Adi
> -Original Message-
> From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:44 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]
Dims,
(I appologize if this doesn't "thread" properly. I'm replying to a message in
a digest as I wasn't a subsciber to this list until a few minutes ago. I'm
not sure how well that works.)
> Are u with me so far?
>
> - CeltixFire's vision is to be a SOA Infrastructure project with all
> t
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
...
> I can easily restore this category and will do so unless somebody
> recalls that it was deliberately dropped.
thanks for the feedback, everyone. I won't restore anything. :-)
Instead I'll raise some issues at the upcoming docathon.
-jean
-
I think there is a very clear distinction between an intermediary
(like a JBI container, Mule, ServiceMix, Synapse, etc) and a Web
Service client and server framework. While I agree with you that the
term ESB is pretty vacuous, it is clear that all the ESB code out
there fits into the world as som
On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:06 +0200, James Strachan wrote:
> Lots of people use the ESB word these days to talk about lots of
> different kinds of technology, so its a pretty meaningless term. (e.g.
> Some Synapse folks claim its an ESB too while others claim its an
> Axis2 mediation framework).
We
So, Could the principals involved drop all the marketing stuff and
call it what it is?
"A SOAP Engine that implements multiple JSR's, databindings,
transports, supports multiple WS-* protocols and can work with non-XML
data"?
Thanks,
dims
On 6/22/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
L
Lots of people use the ESB word these days to talk about lots of
different kinds of technology, so its a pretty meaningless term. (e.g.
Some Synapse folks claim its an ESB too while others claim its an
Axis2 mediation framework).
So its better to focus on the specifications which are the aims of
Leo Simons wrote:
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 11:53:04PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*-
Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]
^^^
This fil
On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 17:30 +0200, James Strachan wrote:
>
> CeltixFire is aimed at implementing the JAX-WS/JAX-WSA/JSR-181
> standards which are the newer standards for working with SOAP &
> WS-Addressing on the Java platform
Thanks for the clarification. So its basically an alternate to Axis2 a
On 6/21/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In any case, the framework part seems just like what JBI impls like
ServiceMix are doing and what JBI alternates like SCA (Tuscany) are
doing. Since James is a mentor of this maybe he can explain the
relationship (or lack thereof) between
On 6/22/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dan,
ok. let's stick to the technical side for a minute and let me layout a logic.
- Tuscany started with an Axis1 binding and then they added Axis2.
When Celtix guys wanted to do the same, We welcomed Dan and got him
cranking.
- So Tuscan
Hani is a good guy. He really understands technology, he's honest, he's
open and he has a utterly wicked and warped sense of humor.
I count him as a friend of mine, and I certainly have no problem with
him becoming a committer for CeltixFire.
BileBlog is satire with almost always a grain of trut
Its also worth remembering that Hani is also a member of the JCP
Executive Committee and contributes alot to both Java & J2SE standards
as well as numerous open source projects. I know Hani pretty well and
he'll be an awesome addition to any Apache project. The bileblog is
simply an extremely funn
Hi,
Proposal
--
This is a proposal to create a project within the Apache Software
Foundation to develop technologies around the emerging user-centric
identity space.
The project would start with Yadis [1] for URL/XRI-based service
discovery, OpenID [2] for web based single-sign-
On 6/22/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://incubator.apache.org/learn/releasemanagement.html
http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases
this is a skeleton i recently committed in preparation for docathon. (i
hoped that some of those who've posted about release management
documentati
On 6/22/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Matthias,
FYI, Once you are an Apache committer. You are one for life. Unless
you voluntarily peition people to revoke your id and karma.
-1
committing is just a privilage with no legal status. commit status can be
easily revocated by
On 6/22/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One obvious thing I'd like to focus on (that Jean hinted at) is the
sidebar
organization on incubator.a.o.
The fact that "Projects" (which is the actual list of projects!) is next
to a
bunch of a "IP Clearance", "Policy", etc. docs makes
Believe me james! that's how i initially took it :) In fact i told my
fellow troops its an honor [1]
-- dims
[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-dev&m=114711015426370&w=2
On 6/22/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Being 'biled' should be taken as a compliment :)
On 6/21/06, Da
Being 'biled' should be taken as a compliment :)
On 6/21/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, you should be on the other side like i was [1] or the tomcat
folks were and face it. I higly recommend it. it's depressing and
demoralizing to say the least.
-- dims
[1] http://jrolle
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 11:53:04PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*-
> Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $]
^^^
This file is not maintained
Hey all,
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 11:29:46AM +0200, Mark Brouwer wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> >On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote:
> >
> >>What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this
> >>proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction betw
On 6/22/06, Mark Brouwer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote:
>
>> What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this
>> proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP
>> process an
Hmm, I certainly didn't really miss them. Because...
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:43:22PM -0700, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Incubator web site navigation no longer has a "learn" category with
> links to these pages:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/learn/
> http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommit
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote:
> On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new
> >> > committers page that Jean sent
(can you please fix your mailer to
* not break email threading
* wrap lines
thanks!)
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 01:44:36PM -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote:
> > ? The one JSR mentioned above is 181 which I believe is part of Java
> > EE and not the JDK, right?
> I belive JSR 181 is part of EE.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote:
What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this
proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP
process and the apache project. Eg is the apache project a (reference?)
i
On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
* Mentor
- Geir Magnusson Jr.
Lately popular opinion seems to be that it'd be good if there were
at least
three mentors. Any others?
Here, here! I' d be glad to be a mentor for this project, I've been
following Jini closely and would l
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote:
What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this
proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP
process and the apache project. Eg is the apache project a (reference?)
i
On 6/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Leo Simons wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Jim Hurley wrote:
>
> Let the records show that Geir is listed as initial committer too yet probably
> doesn't work at sun, unless he switched companies again :)
Hey, it's be
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