On 12/27/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems like an oxymoron, community should be active, but the code may
> not, no? How can this be?
Two ways:
1) The conversation that Brett mentions. General pan-apache Java
things. I'm a little worried about any authorization issues where
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
> out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
> site. So we lost close to an hour of hackathon time try
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:
So what would it mean if Project Foo comes to the ASF, having
released their 1.0 beforehand under the GPL, and then I grab the
1.0 code from the ASF repo and release that as my own version of
the original 1.0?
Project Foo can only come to t
Leo Simons wrote:
> Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> > since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
> > problems you're trying to solve.
>
> None is needed, the problem is very simple.
The problems are not simple, or they would have been solved
years ago. Follow the site-dev disc
I am not trying to defend Forrest. We already acknowledge
that there are some inadequacies for the situation where
people do not want to learn and enhance the tool, and rather
they just want to use it to generate some quick doco.
Forrest is overkill for that. Why are people using it
and then critic
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
On Dec 23, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
Is it permissible to commit code to our repositories that were under, say,
GPL (for when a project, like SA, re-licenses)?
Yes. Relicensing means the copyright owners offer a different set
Discussion of upcoming specs, discussion of usage of the specs, a
users list that helps people use the specs (this is necessary, but
worries me about getting "how do I do servlets" type questions).
I guess there is also scope to innovate in addition to the specs and
work on commons components that
Seems like an oxymoron, community should be active, but the code may
not, no? How can this be?
Regards,
Alan
On 12/27/2005 4:04 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
I'm no sure I agree. I think the community should be active, but the
code may not be. Perhaps too optimistic :)
- Brett
On 12/28/05, Alan
I'm no sure I agree. I think the community should be active, but the
code may not be. Perhaps too optimistic :)
- Brett
On 12/28/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would think that given its very nature, specs, the community would not
> be very active at all.
On 12/27/2005 3:50 PM, Brett Porter wrote:
On 12/28/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeah, I've forwarded this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well so I can get
feedback from both sides. The above meant 'the commons community way'
rather than the exact people. ie) I'm expecting the origi
On 12/28/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I've forwarded this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well so I can get
> feedback from both sides. The above meant 'the commons community way'
> rather than the exact people. ie) I'm expecting the original coders
> to, in most cases, still be mai
/me hits himself on the head for not mentioning this earlier...but..
...could we please move this thread to site-dev at apache dot org? The
crossposts
are no doubt annoying some people :-)
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 11:37:15AM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> --On December 27, 2005 6:02:18 AM -0800
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project which
would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well as other
standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate "copies" of the
source code for the same JSR floating around in different Ap
On 12/27/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dropped jcp-open cross-post.
>
> On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think this would be great! I know it's silly, but I get annoyed
> > at the fact that many of the J2EE spec jars that I use from apach
On 12/27/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> > My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or
> > flatten them into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella
> > Jakarta (I know, you didn't think you'd see it i
--On December 27, 2005 6:02:18 AM -0800 Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
* anakia
* the source xdoc format is not simple or clean enough
* the validation step is not complete enough
* the transformation is not predictable enough
* managing navigational elements is not simple o
Hi,
I think this would be great! I know it's silly, but I get annoyed at
the fact that many of the J2EE spec jars that I use from apache have
"geronimo-" in the jar name but It's just the ASL 2.0 spec jars that
I'm using and not really a geronimo implementation. In general, I
think that
One idea was to collate them as a part of Jakarta.
My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or flatten them
into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella Jakarta (I know, you
didn't think you'd see it in your lifetime). This new Jakarta would
have the potential to serve tw
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project which
would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well as other
standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate "copies" of the
source code for the same JSR floating around in different Apache
projects. It would
Dropped jcp-open cross-post.
On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote:
Hi,
I think this would be great! I know it's silly, but I get annoyed
at the fact that many of the J2EE spec jars that I use from apache
have "geronimo-" in the jar name but It's just the ASL 2.0 spec
jars t
On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
One idea was to collate them as a part of Jakarta.
I'd never heard that one ;)
My aim for Jakarta is to either promote subprojects to TLP or
flatten them into Jakarta Commons, leading to a non-umbrella
Jakarta (I know, you didn't thin
On 12/27/2005 9:17 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well as
other standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many dup
On Dec 27, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
There has been some discussion on creating a Java specs project
which would hold all the specs jars from the various JSRs as well
as other standards, e.g. CORBA. Often, there are many duplicate
"copies" of the source code for the same J
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Err, I would suggest you please go and read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives.
> That's basically a "FAQ" at this point. You may also wish to go and look for
> some posts by me over the last few years to the forrest mailing lists, or
> to the avalo
Hi,
Given that the fax is at Jim's house, I doubt anyone else can pick it
up or ACK its receipt ;) Happy holidays everyone ;)
Yoav
On 12/26/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/26/05, Alan D. Cabrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The software grant forms have been compl
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> since I'm rather new to this, I don't have a deep understanding of the
> problems you're trying to solve.
None is needed, the problem is very simple.
> However, to my naive understanding its two things:
>
> * make the process of d
On 12/27/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
> took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
> out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
> site. So we lost close t
Thomas,
Example: last apachecon, Geir was trying to update geronimo.html, it
took 30+ mins before asking for help. It took me 15+ minutes to figure
out that geronimo.html was not being linked from any page in the web
site. So we lost close to an hour of hackathon time trying to do
something really
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> == Available tools ==
>
> None of the other generally available tools satisfy all the above
> requirements at the moment.
How about just plain xml and xslt?
Stick a build.xml in there, but people are free to use the xslt engine
of their choice
On 12/27/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It pains me to say this (Forrest is a cool project and I
> consider at least some of its active developers and community
> members my friends) but we've muddled around long enough.
>
> I think that, for the incubator website, Apache Forrest
>
>
Hi gang,
It pains me to say this (Forrest is a cool project and I
consider at least some of its active developers and community
members my friends) but we've muddled around long enough.
I think that, for the incubator website, Apache Forrest
* is too unstable as a codebase
* is way too compl
Hi, Leo
2005/12/27, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > If until new year day we have no response from infrastructure peolple or
> > other commiters, project is moved to sf.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's just not so likely to fly. I think you're going to
> need
> to try and "drive" the necessary cha
Sergey,
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 02:04:36PM +0300, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
> 2005/12/27, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > If the people interested in
> > the codebase are not so interested in doing things the "apache way" and
> > want to
> > take it elsewhere, that is fine too.
> >
> I think it
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 11:05:05AM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Ted Leung wrote:
>
> >To us an Apache project is an effort of the ASF. To the majority
> >of people out there, being an Apache project (rightly or wrongly)
> >is branding stamp. You might not lik
Hi, Leo
2005/12/27, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> If the people interested in
> the codebase are not so interested in doing things the "apache way" and
> want to
> take it elsewhere, that is fine too.
>
I think it is possible to follow "apache way", but only if it is not dead
end.
Ok, then
Hi gang,
I agree with Roy from a policy point of view. From a pragmatism point
of view I think the policy is "we SHOULD preserve history for existing
open source projects", but not a "MUST", because of the technical
difficulties (with SVN, no doubt solvable. With some other stuff (eg
bugzilla), le
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 01:22:16PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Saturday 24 December 2005 12:51, Sergey Vladimirov wrote:
> > No, the project was not retired. It was "suspended" due to none of
> > commiters were available.
> >
> > We would like to stay as Apache Incubator Project for some time
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