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> But why bother to "work with others"? Why not just join the existing GNU
> Classpath and Kaffe projects and work within them?
> Geir indicated in a reply to my earlier posting that there were
> no specific objections to the Classpath license.
There is a list of issues with both the LGPL and the
On May 7, 2005, at 12:05 AM, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 15:52 +1200, Simon Kitching wrote:
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On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 23:10 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Simon Kitchi
Mark Wielaard wrote:
> I had hoped it would have more emphasized the fact that we would do
> everything in our power to work out the philosophical, legal and
> practical issues when reusing existing code for Harmony.
Well, I think it does try, but at this point it must be more important how
we go
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> > > > legally i
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> > Simon Kitching wrote:
> >
> > > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> > > ASF'd project to *h
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> > legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> > ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
>
> Not at all. Individual authors may contribute their own original works, and
> do not give up that right. Fu
Keeping the crosspost because the some part is relevant to the "meta"
discussion around the announcement. Inline
On May 6, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 22:34 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their
Hi,
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 22:34 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their names
> on the proposal :) We (Apache Gump team) has been working with them
> to make Kaffe/Classpath better for a while now
> (http://brutus.apache.org/gump/kaffe/bui
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My new harmony folder is sad with
Simon Kitching wrote:
> legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
> ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
Not at all. Individual authors may contribute their own original works, and
do not give up that right. Furthermore, we can design architectures and
interface specifications that
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On May 6, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Simon Kitching wrote:
Unfortunately, legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
Only if you narrowly define "synergy" to mean combining differently-
licensed code.
If GNU (who presumably have a copyright on all the Clas
On May 6, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Simon Kitching wrote:
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 19:23 -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
How does SWT relate?
It really doesn't. I think of it as an extra-J2SE application API.
But there has been quite a bit of back and forth about
On May 6, 2005, at 10:26 PM, Simon Kitching wrote:
Hi,
Can someone clarify for me why Harmony is being proposed when GNU
Classpath, Kaffe and other projects are quite a long way to satisfying
the goal of a Free Java environment?
Is it:
* That SUN is not expected to ever grant a free license to run
Unfortunately, legally isn't it impossible for a GPL'd project and an
ASF'd project to *have* "synergies"?
If GNU (who presumably have a copyright on all the Classpath code) are
willing to relicense under the APL, then that would work. Same for Kaffe
(though probably more difficult unless Kaffe re
Simon Kitching wrote:
> Are there any legal implications for "extending" Java?
Cannot change core language, nor deviate from implementation of the java and
javax packages. org.apache packages are of no more issue than com.sun or
com.ibm for their distributions.
> One of the *nice* points of hav
Simon,
People working on Kaffe/Classpath are gonna advise us..see their names
on the proposal :) We (Apache Gump team) has been working with them
to make Kaffe/Classpath better for a while now
(http://brutus.apache.org/gump/kaffe/buildLog.html). Harmony is going
to increase synergies. We are work
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 19:23 -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> On Fri, 6 May 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >> How does SWT relate?
> >
> > It really doesn't. I think of it as an extra-J2SE application API.
> >
> > But there has been quite a bit of back and forth about SWT and Swing so
> > this
Hi,
Can someone clarify for me why Harmony is being proposed when GNU
Classpath, Kaffe and other projects are quite a long way to satisfying
the goal of a Free Java environment?
Is it:
* That SUN is not expected to ever grant a free license to run the TCK
for a GPL-licensed project, so the only
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
How does SWT relate?
It really doesn't. I think of it as an extra-J2SE application API.
But there has been quite a bit of back and forth about SWT and Swing so this
seemed like a question someone might ask
I think, to make it clear to the world tha
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On May 6, 2005, at 8:41 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote:
First off, Harmony sounds like a great project. A truly compliant
open source JVM would be wonderful.
Greir, one question...
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First off, Harmony sounds like a great project. A truly compliant open
source JVM would be wonderful.
Greir, one question...
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On May 6, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Danese Cooper wrote:
Not that I get to vote...but I have been stumping for this for 6+
years, so...
++1
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On Danese's tail... +1 from me.
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Not that I get to vote...but I have been stumping for this for 6+
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++1
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+1 from me (wearing PMC hat)
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