Directory Project structure (was: Question about project names)

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: > FYI, I really don't like this trend of independent projects being > created within umbrella projects. If you are creating a generic > toolkit then it should be incubated as a separate project. IMO > there are too many single-developer products being masked under > the Di

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Phil Steitz
+1 Phil Alex Karasulu wrote: Hello again, It looks like lots of people are away and we're going to have to wait for some clarification on whether or not we can release kerberos, eve, janus, and seda as is or change their names. So in the mean time I think we can separately release the following

RE: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > I'm happy to offer help evaluating strategies to both rebuild the > database and retain the current ids in some usable form, if you can use > the help. Sure. The eyebrowse project is at http://eyebrowse.tigris.org. Daniel knows the internals as well as anyone, better '

RE: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean, As an aside, please note that mod_mbox is now installed on the new mail archive server, as well as eyebrowse. mod_mbox uses the Message-ID, from what I can see, and should be more of a proper URI than the fragile eyebrowse URLs. The eyebrowse webapp would still be the best way to find anyt

Re: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > >... the database will have to be rebuilt, and when that happens the >eyebrowse URLs will break. They aren't based on something content related, >like the Message-ID or an MD5 of the Message content. > > >http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >p

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases

2004-12-30 Thread Alex Karasulu
Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:16 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: Before discussing each specific item below I'd like to point out a few things. The ASF had through the incubator given us a link to an online service for looking up trademarks. We were told this service should be used to

Re: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
OK, got it -- I appreciate the clarifications! thanks, -jean Noel J. Bergman wrote: >Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > > >>I'm deducing from the emails this afternoon that I can't simply >>replace the nagoya.apache.org with mail-archives.apache.org >> >> > >No, because the database will have

RE: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > I'm deducing from the emails this afternoon that I can't simply > replace the nagoya.apache.org with mail-archives.apache.org No, because the database will have to be rebuilt, and when that happens the eyebrowse URLs will break. They aren't based on something content re

Re: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
I need to state my question in another way. --I've looked back through my emails and don't see the earlier explanations, so sorry if this is asking what I should already know. I thought I was on too many email lists :-) but perhaps I'm not on enough! Given this url: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebr

RE: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> When is mail-archives.apache.org expected to start working for > eyebrowse? Currently it gets "Service unavailable". http://mail-archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ works fine, although we still need to rebuild the database and migrate it to ajax. > Many Derby web site pages have pointers to specifi

RE: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Wouldn't a straight database dump would preserve the IDs and hence > the URLs? We can't. We have to rebuild the databases to big gaps that weren't indexed in the past as well as fix problems within the databases themselves. And when we do that, poof ... I believe that we are concurrently goin

Re: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Jeff Turner
On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 03:27:57PM -0800, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > >As previously indicated, the machine name "nagoya" is going away in very > >short order. Projects should not have any references on their web sites to > >any Apache machine names, only to domains such

Re: Question about project names.

2004-12-30 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Dec 28, 2004, at 6:22 PM, Trustin Lee wrote: I'm the author of MINA (Multipurpose Infrastructure for Network Applications) subproject in Apache Directory project. We are checking our project names before releasing them. I checked the name 'MINA', and I found three trademark holders. None of t

Re: Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Noel J. Bergman wrote: >As previously indicated, the machine name "nagoya" is going away in very >short order. Projects should not have any references on their web sites to >any Apache machine names, only to domains such as issues, mail-archives, >etc. Sites still referencing nagoya.apache.org w

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases

2004-12-30 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Dec 27, 2004, at 8:16 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: Before discussing each specific item below I'd like to point out a few things. The ASF had through the incubator given us a link to an online service for looking up trademarks. We were told this service should be used to determine if there were

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases

2004-12-30 Thread Trustin Lee
Roy, how do you think about the name MINA? I think you saw the question I posted a couple of days ago. I need your advice, too. :) Thanks in advance. Trustin On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:29:19 -0800, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > >> Janus is "God of Gates and

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases

2004-12-30 Thread Roy T . Fielding
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Janus is "God of Gates and Doorways" and a moon of Saturn was named after him in 1966. http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Sat_Janus The sited web page is about arbitration of a domain name and to regain control of such domain name. Janus Capital Group do

Please remove ALL REFERENCES to nagoya

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Folks, Please review your site materials and fix any references ASAP. As previously indicated, the machine name "nagoya" is going away in very short order. Projects should not have any references on their web sites to any Apache machine names, only to domains such as issues, mail-archives, etc.

RE: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Yeah true I checked in the changes to the status file but I can't seem > to figure out how to publish things out. I ran ant but that did not > seem to make alterations to the generated directory.html file. Perhaps > there's something else that needs to be done. Any ideas? Should be update sit

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Alex Karasulu
Alex Karasulu wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Alex, Since we've already had a -1 from Roy on the earlier plan, I would like to make sure that he sees and comments on the revised one, which attempts put put out a more limited set, while resolving the trademark concerns. But I don't believe the the

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Alex Karasulu
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Alex, Since we've already had a -1 from Roy on the earlier plan, I would like to make sure that he sees and comments on the revised one, which attempts put put out a more limited set, while resolving the trademark concerns. But I don't believe the the ldap, naming (previousl

RE: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Alex, Since we've already had a -1 from Roy on the earlier plan, I would like to make sure that he sees and comments on the revised one, which attempts put put out a more limited set, while resolving the trademark concerns. But I don't believe the the ldap, naming (previously released by Tomcat a

Re: [VOTE] Directory project releases II

2004-12-30 Thread Alex Karasulu
Trustin Lee wrote: +1 :) Oooops I forgot to vote myself +1. Alex On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:38:22 -0500, Alex Karasulu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello again, It looks like lots of people are away and we're going to have to wait for some clarification on whether or not we can release kerberos, ev