RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > I am as interested in making Axion's incubation status clear as you are. > > > Some sort of "incubation status" notice [or logo] > > You mean like http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator-logo.png, > along with a

Re: donation of project

2003-12-23 Thread Matt Liotta
I am personally very interested in this, having worked on a similar project. In any case, it's a very interesting thing for Java in general to have such a component opensourced. Because of this, I will see to do all I can to help you. Thanks. As for accepting it at Apache, we decide not on tec

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
If this isn't constructive criticism, I don't know what is. Axion was told one thing, and now that incubation time has arrive, they're being told another. That's the critical part. I think we should honor the original plan of incubation. That's the constructive part. I don't believe for a secon

Re: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:12:36 -0500 (Subject: RE: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon) Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > it would be nice to create "We are under incubation" icon > See: http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator-logo.png No, No. I meant "We are under incubation" icon, not "Ap

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Morgan Delagrange wrote: > > Let's not pull a bait-and-switch. > > Considering that we're trying to work with axion, > and all projects, to > minimize the effort required, let's keep the > discussion constructive, shall > we? :-) > > ---

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Morgan Delagrange wrote: > Axion specifically asked for assurance that they would be > incubated at their final destination. They received that > assurance in the db.apache.org proposal and from you > personally as a member of the Incubator PMC To quote myself from that message: Axion: > > Is it

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin Cooper: > Noel J. Bergman: > > I see RT used on a few lists, I don't consider RT to convey a useful > > semantic. > The first time I saw RT was in a message from Sam (Ruby) on the Gump list, > where he expanded it as "Random Thought", meaning something along the lines > of "I just had an id

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Martin Cooper
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > I don't know what "AISI" stands for, but the way. > > For that matter, what's RT stand for in [RT]? > > AISI == As I See It > RT == Random Topic > > I see RT used on a few lists, I don't c

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > If we can table the future location of other incubating projects for a moment, I'm kind of irked that you clipped what I consider to be Rod's most important point concerning Axion's incubation. Axion specifically

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > This notion of "quit asking for special treatment" would carry more weight > if this would make Axion an exception among incubating projects. The idea that no project should be grandfathered is not one of your stronger arguments. :-) > No one is saying "take it easie

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > AISI, the reason there was no summary is that the vote was halted on the > grounds that it was improper. Because DB had already voted to accept the > project, the Incubator does not vote to accept it (ballot 1). If you want > to view ballot 2 as a

RE: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> it would be nice to create "We are under incubation" icon See: http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator-logo.png --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL P

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > > > I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never > > have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I > > recently called: > > AISI, the reason there was no summary is that th

Why incubator domain for sites

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
** Note: this has nothing to do with Axion (the current context), ** who by all appearances would be eagerly working to graduate. Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > -- Branding issue -- You are missing the point. The Incubator IS a brand. A brand that says that the project is NOT YET endorsed by the Apa

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Morgan Delagrange
Actually I think 72 hours have to pass after my nomination is recognized by a Board member (or something like that). So, I have a few more days until I'm officially recognized by the Board. --- Rodney Waldhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As I understand >

RE: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never > have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I > recently called: AISI, the reason there was no summary is that the vote was halted on the grounds that it was improper. B

[RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
I've noticed that a disturbing number of VOTE threads on this list never have a corresponding RESULT summary, so here's the result for the vote I recently called: "Ballot 1: Accept Axion for incubation" passes with at least 5 binding +1s (Noel Bergman, Davanum Srinivas, Greg Stein, Nicola Ken Baro

Re: problems running forrest

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > IIUC you're just unlucky, as just yesterday a commit broke CVS forrest, > with the error you show. > > I'll see to fix it today and publish the website for you if you make > changes (I had done so last time). > Seems to work now. Thanks. - Rod <

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:35:47 -0800 (PST) Rodney Waldhoff wrote: > Immediately jumping to a "because I said so" response, while > potentially binding, isn't especially inviting, and quite frankly, is > contrary to the "apache way" we're promising to nuture > (

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > *Every* project comes here saying "well, but I'm different, I don't need > this and that, come on, take it easier on me". So in the end, they are > not different at all in this ;-) Without trying to be flippant, I'd urge you to consider the possibl

Re: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:00 -0500 (Subject: Re: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon) Brian McCallister wrote: > Following the Axion thread and "it is important that users know it is > not a regular Apache project" concern -- I think this is an excellent > solution. > > -Brian If I remember c

Re: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Rich Bowen
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Hello, > > From the conversation here, it came to my mind that it > would be nice to create "We are under incubation" icon, > which (sub)projects being incubated **should** use on their > websites. Perhaps a baby chick, with Apache feathers, und

Re: [RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Brian McCallister
Following the Axion thread and "it is important that users know it is not a regular Apache project" concern -- I think this is an excellent solution. -Brian On Dec 23, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hello, From the conversation here, it came to my mind that it would be nice to cre

[RT] "We are under incubation" icon

2003-12-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Hello, From the conversation here, it came to my mind that it would be nice to create "We are under incubation" icon, which (sub)projects being incubated **should** use on their websites. If "We are under incubation" icon would be really nice, each (sub)projects wouldn't have to be resides in

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
On a related note, consider the impact this has on search engines and other robots. The suggestion to use http://db.apache.org/axion as the normative URL, and use an .htaccess based redirect to point those URLs to http://incubator.apache.org/ creates a fairly subtle difference to the human reader,

RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Rodney Waldhoff
Allow me to expound upon one of the issues this raises just a little bit, to help you see where this concern is coming from. The Apache DB project has a single, unified site build: a single (Maven/Reactor) process builds both the top level web site and the sites of the three existing subprojects.

Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-23 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: ... I understand the way .htaccess works. I would still suggest this isn't quite "transparent". There is a reason why we want incubating projects to be published under the incubator URL, and this reason has come out of the current incubations that do not have this rule.

Re: problems running forrest

2003-12-23 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Rodney Waldhoff wrote: Following the instructions at http://incubator.apache.org/howtoparticipate.html, I seem to be having problems running forrest. Specifically, when I run "forrest run" from the incubator directory, I get an error like this: 13:45:52.691 EVENT ERROR (2003-12-22) 13:45.52:681