Ted Leung wrote, On 29/07/2003 20.11:
...
Why are you blaming the XMLBeans guys for your not having your act
together?
I'm not blaming them in any way, Ted. I'm surprised that this is what
you have gathered from my mails, and if this is the case, I apologise.
It's all well and good for them to
> From: "Cliff Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As one of the XMLBeans committers, I have already promised [1] to
> document the process that we've gone through and will go through in
> the incubator. Berin has also volunteered to help document some of these
> decisions. This doesn't solve every
> From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > ASF is incorporated. We have certain rules to abide to, like licensing
> > et all. And also internal rules, that you know quite well, about voting,
> > and about infrastructure policies.
> >
>
> And see, I don't think you're the person who shoul
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:51 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> My opinion is that we will continue to meander around until someone
> who gives a rat's ass about some new project volunteers to set up
> the incubation process. Right now, nobody even wants to chair the PMC
> because anyone who attemp
On 7/29/03 5:50 PM, "Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In other words, there are insufficient volunteers to accept any new
> projects at Apache right now. Please come back at a later date, or
> volunteer to do the work and I'll give you cvs access.
>
With all do respect Roy, there
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 10:54 PM, Paul Hammant wrote:
3) Web sites will be hosted at
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/subProjectName. Project teams will
desist and redirect web sites formerly the home of the project. The new
site hosted at Apache will not refer to any commercial o
On 7/29/03 2:11 PM, "Ted Leung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/29/2003 10:33 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>> On 7/29/03 1:01 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> That is an excellent idea.
>>
>>
>>
> Why are you blaming the XMLBeans guys for your not having your act
Folks,
It seems there is enough discord over XMLBeans here, to warrant letting
one slide for the sake of the peace.
If CVS is set-up, let it be as is.
If Mail lists are set-up, let them be as they are.
- - -
For future projects the PMC has decided that whilst in incubator, how
about the follow
I've no issue with rules, except when we say we have rules but can't
articulate them. Example #1. What should the names of the mailing
lists and CVS be? [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We don't have that rule. Nicola Ken suggested creating such a rule.
My opinion is that we will conti
On 7/29/2003 10:33 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 7/29/03 1:01 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After spending considerable time off-list with Cliff preparing his
proposal, I'm getting a bit weary with all this rules stuff
ASF is incorporated. We have certain rules to
On 7/29/03 1:01 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, I'm the Incubator! 1-to-1 mapping! ;-P
>
I'm afraid this is actually true, even if it is not technically the case. I
take this as evidence of its failure for which it was actually doomed. I
applaud your efforts though.
On 7/29/03 9:57 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:19:43 -0700
> (Subject: XMLBean project creation request)
> Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> By the way, I think this url
> http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/
> is not yet taking effect.
>
> Ho
On 7/29/03 4:41 AM, "Berin Lautenbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote:
>> But being careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I
> would have said there is real value in the Incubator defining and
> fleshing out a process that is used by the various PMCs for incubatio
Steven Noels wrote, On 29/07/2003 18.50:
On 29/07/2003 10:41 Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out.
Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive,
most of the real action is done by infrastructure pee
On 29/07/2003 10:41 Berin Lautenbach wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out.
Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive,
most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the
dispersed shepherds of incubat
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:33:21 +0200
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> -1 if it is outside of apache.org.
> > How about PHP's case?
> PHP is an historical exception. We do not promote this for
> new projects.
Okay. Understood the historical exception.
--
There might be two ways fo
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:08 PM
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:58:51 +0200
> (Subject: RE: XMLBean project creation request)
> "Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -1 if it is outside of apache.org.
>
> How about PHP's case?
PHP is an
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:58:51 +0200
(Subject: RE: XMLBean project creation request)
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:57 PM
>
> > By the way, I think this url
> > http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/
> >
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:57 PM
> By the way, I think this url
> http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/
> is not yet taking effect.
>
> How about asking the infrastructure team to
> point this url (http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/)
> to the curren
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:19:43 -0700
(Subject: XMLBean project creation request)
Ted Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ~ V. Message Trailer[X] yes [ ] no
> ~ (a). [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> =(CUT HERE)==
> - -
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:20:53 +1000
(Subject: Re: xmlbeans project)
Berin Lautenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > The only one thing I felt something out of joint is
> > usage of the term, "Shepherd".
> >
> > In the *real* business world, the role of "Shepherd" would
>
Steven Noels wrote:
and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out. Apart
from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive, most of
the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the dispersed
shepherds of incubating projects, most of them assumably under t
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