Greg Stein wrote, On 04/07/2003 1.24:
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
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1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don't have the
open source experience or robust community to pull that off (not intended to
be a criticism)
There is no size minimu
On 7/3/03 7:44 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'd prefer to see things copied to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
> now. Even if the final decision is made to move
> into Jakarta post incubation, there are people in
> the xml project interested in the idea and who
> might want to g
On 7/3/03 7:24 PM, "Greg Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 3. Jakarta - IMHO this the best place for it.
>>
>> The division of XML vs Jakarta predates me for certain, but I think the main
>> issues surrounding that are rusty.
>
> The problem is Jakarta itself. Centering a PMC around a *languag
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:22:10PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>...
> 1. Top level project - IMHO this isn't big enough and you don't have the
> open source experience or robust community to pull that off (not intended to
> be a criticism)
There is no size minimum for a TLP, but I believe the B
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:01:26PM -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project and not
> just an Apache branded extension of BEA? I really would like to see you
> guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the compromises Apache.
We are "safe
On Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:02 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:26 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>> Do you have a roadmap of where you would like this project to be in 6
>> months? A year? Two years?
>
> Yes - and I will post it shortly on the Wiki site.
I've just p
On 7/3/03 3:50 PM, "Cliff Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:57 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
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>> 2. Pick your project. I think it would have been a lot less
>> confusing to mail the proposal to Jakarta or XML. Personally, if
>> this is a Java only project, I th
Now to address, Andy's other issues (the first issue has spun off into
a different thread)...
On Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:57 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> 2. Pick your project. I think it would have been a lot less
> confusing to mail the proposal to Jakarta or XML. Personally, if
> this is a
(copying the other lists, by request)
Thanks for all the good questions and advice, Howard. Please let me know
if the following leaves you with other questions or concerns.
On Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:26 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>> See [http://workshop.bea.com/xmlbeans/quickStart.jsp B
Sorry about that -- looks like that mail didn't make it out of my outbox.
I'll resend right now to all three lists.
Cliff
On Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:50 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> +1
>
> On 7/3/03 2:26 PM, "Neil Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Hi Cliff,
>>
>> I think the copy l
+1
On 7/3/03 2:26 PM, "Neil Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I think the copy list of your note to Howard must have been a good bit
> narrower than the copy list of this response to Andy. :) Any chance you
> could enlighten those of us in this broader group who are interested
On Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:01 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project
> and not just an Apache branded extension of BEA? I really would like
> to see you guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the compromises
> Apache. There is a cha
So what in this ensures this will be a community-developed project and not
just an Apache branded extension of BEA? I really would like to see you
guys involved in Apache, but not in a way the compromises Apache. There is
a challenge that limits the excitement of others in that there are so many
I understand Andy's concern here, but I think Craig does a good job
of pointing out the consequences of less participation by the core
developers of a project, and the possibly invalid assumptions
around that.
As any of the committers can tell you, I wrestled with the list and
really tried to limi
In summary the most serious issues to this proposal are:
1. diversity of committership. I'd personally like to see >51% of the
ACTIVE committership from a different company. So long as a decision in one
company can MAKE the vote, you don't have an Apache project, you have a
corporate subproject
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