Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Sam Ruby
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Andrew, Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure that Apache as a Legal Entity will be protected and that the coding can go on for now. There are 2 JSR's in the jcp and WS-Security spec in OASIS that will need this as well. Am no

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I think there was something (maybe on slashdot) recently about "letters of intent". The conclusion seemed to be that they are pretty much meaningless and unenforceable. I think one also can keep this company's dubious history in mind. -Andy Conor

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Conor MacNeill
Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Isn't that a no no? The board is discussing this. What scares the crap out of me is the weasel words. "intent to offer royalty free...". As a rule, lawyers are very careful in what they say and do not say. I can only presume that the word "intent"

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Andrew, Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure that Apache as a Legal Entity will be protected and that the coding can go on for now. There are 2 JSR's in the jcp and WS-Security spec in OASIS that will need this as well. Am n

RE: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part ofWeb Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Scott Cantor
> What scares the crap out of me is the weasel words. "intent to offer > royalty free...". > > As a rule, lawyers are very careful in what they say and do > not say. I can only presume that the word "intent" was carefully chosen. We've assumed the word is there simply because they have not se

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Andrew, Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure that Apache as a Legal Entity will be protected and that the coding can go on for now. There are 2 JSR's in the jcp and WS-Security spec in OASIS that will need this as well. Am not sure there anything e

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Isn't that a no no? The board is discussing this. What scares the crap out of me is the weasel words. "intent to offer royalty free...". As a rule, lawyers are very careful in what they say and do not say. I can only presume that the word "intent" was carefully chos

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Isn't that a no no? Davanum Srinivas wrote: Andrew, IANAL...But I think you are right. Thanks, dims --- "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Clarify this for me. I might contribute to this OpenSAML, which I'm free to do as a member of Apache who would hence have license. Howeve

RE: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part ofWeb Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Scott Cantor
> Clarify this for me. I might contribute to this OpenSAML, which I'm > free to do as a member of Apache who would hence have license. However > if I take this back to my company (outside of Apache) I must then seek > another license which by intent (though not by agreement) would again be >

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Andrew, IANAL...But I think you are right. Thanks, dims --- "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clarify this for me. I might contribute to this OpenSAML, which I'm > free to do as a member of Apache who would hence have license. However > if I take this back to my company (outsid

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Clarify this for me. I might contribute to this OpenSAML, which I'm free to do as a member of Apache who would hence have license. However if I take this back to my company (outside of Apache) I must then seek another license which by intent (though not by agreement) would again be Royalty fr

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Nicola, Folks, Here's the latest from RSA - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/security-services/200302/msg00036.html Thanks, dims --- Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 17/02/2003 16.23: > > Incubator Folks, > > > > We (PMC@WS) had a VOTE for acc

RE: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part ofWeb Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Scott Cantor
> Below is what seems the last mail on this subject on this > list. Reading that, I tend to think that the incubator, at > this point, is capable of taking a formal position on this matter, and we > should probably ask the board. RSA posted a new statement on the SSTC web site and confirmed the

Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as partof Web Services )

2003-02-19 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 17/02/2003 16.23: Incubator Folks, We (PMC@WS) had a VOTE for accepting OpenSAML as part of Web Services project. Here are the results. +1 from 12 members. Zero -1 or -0 or +0 votes. Excellent. What should we do next. Please advise. The only thing that I'd want

Looking for the best location for a barcode library

2003-02-19 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hi there Before I open a SourceForge project I wanted to ask if there might be interest in a barcode library/framework here at Apache. I started to develop the library two years ago and it has already seen real-life use in two projects with my last employer. I'm in the process of doing a major ref

Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-19 Thread Michael Wechner
Dear Incubator List Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at: http://www.wyona.org/lenya.html Relevant Links are also: http://www.wyona.org/docs/xdocs/architecture.html http://www.wyona.org/roadmap