Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread ElPaso via gdal-dev
Il 09/10/24 00:55, Greg Troxel via gdal-dev ha scritto: ElPaso via gdal-dev writes: I have read the discussion on lwn and I must say that I am more in line with the debian position. My view is that code that comes out of generative AI should be viewed as an improper derived work, and lacking

[gdal-dev] Github, AI and the proposed RFC 8 amendment

2024-10-08 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via gdal-dev
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024, Greg Troxel via gdal-dev wrote: ElPaso via gdal-dev writes: I find it ironic that as an open source developer who probably contributed a lot of training material to feed the AI model I myself am banned to use it. It's not ironic; it's taking the high moral ground and acti

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Greg Troxel via gdal-dev
ElPaso via gdal-dev writes: > I have read the discussion on lwn and I must say that I am more in > line with the debian position. My view is that code that comes out of generative AI should be viewed as an improper derived work, and lacking adequate provenance/permission to be added to an open s

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Jan Heckman via gdal-dev
Sorry to butt in. I have no say in this whatsoever. A few mayhaps/perby useful points: - not using GAI is not a lasting option, so rather focus on precautions and be aware of dangers. Prime danger, to me, seams copyright trolling ala Oracle. They have bought/adopted stuff in order to sue people. Of

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Howard Butler via gdal-dev
> On Oct 7, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Even Rouault via gdal-dev > wrote: > > Hi, > > I propose we update RFC 8 with the following changes: > https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/pull/10958 > > Can we enforce that? No (similarly we can't prevent someone from stealing > copyrighted material from source co

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Paul Harwood via gdal-dev
While I am at it - the stuff about "changes that are not subject to copyright law" is meaningless - copyright applies to content and not to changes and I doubt there is any content on GDAL that is NOT subject to copyright law. I would humbly suggest that the question is more about whether "correct

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Paul Harwood via gdal-dev
IANAL - however I have looked at a lot of these things in my time. The phrase "use of generative AI tools to contribute copyrighted material is prohibited" is ambiguous (and actually nugatory): - for clarity - it should say that it is prohibited to use such tools to contribute *to the project* ot

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread Laurențiu Nicola via gdal-dev
Hi, > At the moment I am using copilot as a cut-and-paste on steroids and it > has improved my efficiency, to me it is no different than copying and > pasting from another file in the GDAL source code or going to SO to > search how to write a complex recursive lambda implementation in C++11, >

Re: [gdal-dev] Proposed RFC 8 amendment regarding (prohibited use of) generative AI tools

2024-10-08 Thread ElPaso via gdal-dev
Il 07/10/24 18:38, Even Rouault via gdal-dev ha scritto: Hi, I propose we update RFC 8 with the following changes: https://github.com/OSGeo/gdal/pull/10958 Can we enforce that? No (similarly we can't prevent someone from stealing copyrighted material from source code of proprietary software