Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-04 Thread Joseph S. Myers
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Mark Mitchell wrote: > For API documentation, or, in general, for new manuals, I have no > opinion. My guess, though, is that the FSF would want the same > invariant sections and such as are on the existing manuals. The standard rules for Cover Texts and inclusion of Invarian

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Mitchell
Dave Korn wrote: >>> Just to be clear, I don't believe that regenerating the docs itself would >>> be a breach since NOTHING you do internally can be a GPL or GFDL breach). >>> What would be a breach would be *distributing* those regenerated docs. >> Indeed; I was too casual in my description. D

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Korn
On 02/06/2010 15:07, Mark Mitchell wrote: > Richard Kenner wrote: > >>> However, if I changed the code, but did not regenerate the docs, and you >>> then picked up my changes, possibly made more of your own, and then >>> regenerated the docs, *you* would be in breach. (Because my changes are >>>

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Mitchell
Matthias Klose wrote: >> I will state explicitly up front a few topics I am not raising, because >> I do not think they are either necessary, or likely to be productive: >> >> * Whether or not the GFDL is a "free" license, or whether it's a good >> license, or anything else about its merits or lac

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Mitchell
Richard Kenner wrote: >> However, if I changed the code, but did not regenerate the docs, and you >> then picked up my changes, possibly made more of your own, and then >> regenerated the docs, *you* would be in breach. (Because my changes are >> only available to you under the GPL; you do not ha

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Richard Kenner
> However, if I changed the code, but did not regenerate the docs, and you > then picked up my changes, possibly made more of your own, and then > regenerated the docs, *you* would be in breach. (Because my changes are > only available to you under the GPL; you do not have the right to > relicense

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Mark Mitchell
Dave Korn wrote: >> "If Texinfo text is included the .h files specifically to be copied into >> a manual, it is ok to for you copy that text into a manual and release >> the manual under the GFDL." >> >> In context, "you" means "the GCC maintainers" and the permission would >> be limited only to c

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Matthias Klose
On 02.06.2010 01:31, Mark Mitchell wrote: I will state explicitly up front a few topics I am not raising, because I do not think they are either necessary, or likely to be productive: * Whether or not the GFDL is a "free" license, or whether it's a good license, or anything else about its merits

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Korn
On 02/06/2010 00:31, Mark Mitchell wrote: > At this point, RMS has said, answered this question from me: > > "Can we take comments (not code) from FSF-owned GPL'd code and process > them in some way that results in them being included in a GFDL'd manual?" > > by saying, in part: > > "If Texinfo

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-01 Thread Joern Rennecke
Quoting Mark Mitchell : http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2010-05/msg02255.html OK, I see what that is doing. Why did you choose to use a .def file rather than something more like Doxygen to generate the documentation? It is not only used to generate documenation, but also to generate initi

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-01 Thread DJ Delorie
Mark Mitchell writes: > So, my question is this: is the permission above sufficient for what > people want to do at this point? This permission exactly covers what libiberty does for its documentation, you can use that as an example to RMS.

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-01 Thread Mark Mitchell
Joern Rennecke wrote: >> And if we need >> more (as I suspect), can we be specific about what toolflow we want to >> follow and what content will be generated? It would help if I could >> show RMS inputs and outputs, not just with some random example, but with >> GCC itself. Is someone willing t

Re: GFDL/GPL Issue

2010-06-01 Thread Joern Rennecke
Quoting Mark Mitchell : At this point, RMS has said, answered this question from me: "Can we take comments (not code) from FSF-owned GPL'd code and process them in some way that results in them being included in a GFDL'd manual?" We also need struct member declarations. I.e type and name. In