Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-10 Thread Valentino Giudice via Gcc
I am glad this email created some discussion. Some users seem to think the change was either reckless or nontransparent. This includes one user who replied me off list: > Please continue until they tell the truth. Given the additional context provided by the answers, I agree with that opinion. I

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-10 Thread Valentino Giudice via Gcc
> Quite a few projects under the GNU project[1] have dissociated themselves from the FSF, so "as defined by the FSF" perhaps doesn't apply as consistently as it did before. That doesn't really answer any of my questions, though.

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Sure Richard, I know. On June 9, 2021 2:32:22 PM UTC, Richard Biener wrote: > > You are free to create "DCO-free" branches for the GCC 11 series > (and older), reverting any DCO "incumbered" backports that reach > the official GCC branches for those series. I could. Like all other people aff

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Richard Biener via Gcc
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:22 PM Giacomo Tesio wrote: > > Hi Gabriel, > > On June 9, 2021 12:41:09 PM UTC, Gabriel Ravier > wrote: > > > > I do consider that a lack of transparency is pretty bad, and that > > discussions on subjects like this should be done in public, but I > > wouldn't say it's ju

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi Gabriel, On June 9, 2021 12:41:09 PM UTC, Gabriel Ravier wrote: > > I do consider that a lack of transparency is pretty bad, and that > discussions on subjects like this should be done in public, but I > wouldn't say it's just as bad as the potential risk that a fork would > incur. I reall

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Gabriel Ravier via Gcc
On 6/9/21 12:11 PM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: Hi Gabriel, On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 11:44:10 +0200 Gabriel Ravier via Gcc wrote: Speaking on the "change it recklessly" issue, I would personally say that SC has indeed arguably done this [...] some people threatened to pull away from GCC entirely if it remai

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi Gabriel, On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 11:44:10 +0200 Gabriel Ravier via Gcc wrote: > Speaking on the "change it recklessly" issue, I would personally say > that SC has indeed arguably done this [...] > some people threatened to pull away from GCC entirely if it remained > tied to the FSF. I personally h

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-09 Thread Gabriel Ravier via Gcc
On 6/9/21 7:09 AM, Valentino Giudice via Gcc wrote: If the Steering Committee updates the mission statement, it may appear that the mission statement follows the decisions of the steering committee (in place of the contrary). In that case, what would be the purpose of a mission statement? In es

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-08 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 09/06/2021 à 07:09, Valentino Giudice via Gcc a écrit : > If the Steering Committee updates the mission statement, it may appear > that the mission statement follows the decisions of the steering > committee (in place of the contrary). In that case, what would be the > purpose of a mission state

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-08 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 6/9/21 10:39 AM, Valentino Giudice wrote: I was aware of that announcement, but it doesn't mention the mission statement at all. It appears that the decision in question was, at the time, in contrast with the mission statement (rather than guided by it). If the Steering Committee updates the

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-08 Thread Valentino Giudice via Gcc
Thank you. > Well there was an announcement; the changes in the mission statement reflect > the new reality introduced by that announcement: > > https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236182.html > > Siddhesh I was aware of that announcement, but it doesn't mention the mission statement at

Re: GCC Mission Statement

2021-06-08 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 6/9/21 10:13 AM, Valentino Giudice via Gcc wrote: Hi. The Mission Statement of the GCC project recently changed without any announcement. Well there was an announcement; the changes in the mission statement reflect the new reality introduced by that announcement: https://gcc.gnu.org/pipe