Re: [gelato-gcc] Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Shin-Ming Liu
There were many good ideas and suggestions in the email thread. Speeding up GCC performance with community effort is the ultimate path for Itanium. HP is committed to work with the GCC community to make this happen. I also agree with the observation that we need an intermediate path to beef u

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Robert Dewar
Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: Or let's put it this way: Would AdaCore have the resources to support two entirely different backends. Would it even want to hire new engineers or let its existing work-force learn compiler internals of another compiler to support just one target? I don't think so. T

Re: [gelato-gcc] Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Wen-mei W. Hwu
I agree with Vladimir wholeheartedly. After working on OpenIMPACT for years, I reached the conclusion that the ONLY way to make a real difference for Linux Itanium users is to help improve the mainstream GCC compiler. That is why my team (esp. Bob Kidd) is actively helping with a strong superbloc

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Vladimir Makarov
Steven Bosscher wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:53, Robert Dewar wrote: Gerald Pfeifer wrote: (If so, I'm wondering what it's going to buy the interested parties, because I have a hard time seeing one of the large GNU/Linux distributors switching to a compiler different from F

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:05:39AM +0200, Steven Bosscher wrote: > On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:53, Robert Dewar wrote: > > Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > > (If so, I'm wondering what it's going to buy the interested parties, > > > because I have a hard time seeing one of the large GNU/Linux distri

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Steven Bosscher
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:53, Robert Dewar wrote: > Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > (If so, I'm wondering what it's going to buy the interested parties, > > because I have a hard time seeing one of the large GNU/Linux distributors > > switching to a compiler different from FSF GCC for Itanium.) >

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-14 Thread Robert Dewar
Gerald Pfeifer wrote: (If so, I'm wondering what it's going to buy the interested parties, because I have a hard time seeing one of the large GNU/Linux distributors switching to a compiler different from FSF GCC for Itanium.) Surely this depends on relative performance ...

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-13 Thread Mark Mitchell
Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > Do I understand correctly that the new backend is not planned to be > included in FSF GCC? That seems unlikely, in the medium-term, at least. Some people have rasied legal issues, which I know nothing about, but the code has not been assigned to the FSF. But, those are

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-13 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Mark Mitchell wrote: > In summary, I think that splitting GCC optimization efforts between FSF > and ORC back-ends is unfortunate. I would far rather that the free > software community be united behind a single optimizer. But, > fundamentally, I don't see much that we can do

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-12 Thread Mark Mitchell
Vladimir N. Makarov wrote: > The ORC backend optimizations proven to work for Itanium could be > rewritten for RTL with usage of existing gcc infrastructure, added to > gcc and could be used for other ports. I think it is more right way to do. I strongly agree, except that I would generalize "RT

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-09 Thread Joe Buck
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 10:47:43AM -0400, Vladimir N. Makarov wrote: > - If you want to see the hybrid compiler as a part of gcc project, how > are you going to solve the copyright problem? As I know, although ORC > code is also distributed under GNU license, the copyright belongs to > SGI. A

Re: Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-09 Thread Vladimir N. Makarov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although many of us are involved, or have been involved, with other compiler projects, the focus of the Gelato GCC Improvement Group is to work *with* the GCC community *and* the GCC community *process* to improve GCC for Itanium. Some of the other projects which indi

Introduction of GCC improvement work for Itanium via Gelato Federation

2005-09-07 Thread mksmith
GCC community, As some of you may know, a group met this past January in Geneva to discuss ways of improving GCC performance for Itanium. The group identified three optimizations that should help significantly: - Rotating Registers (including Swing Modulo Scheduling) - Superblock Scheduling