Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi Arnaud, This is all nice and well and I'm sure you're having lots of fun with these discussions, but gcc@gcc.gnu.org is NOT an appropriate list for such discussions, so please move this discussion elsewhere, there are people on this list who would rather not receive these unrelated emails, th

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Arnaud Charlet
> The purpose of this discussion (whoa, 30+ thread in the gcc mailing > list for being b@d@ss) is that I will learn the sufficient amount of > things so I WON'T "commit the crime". > > I would like to be clear from the start so I won't have any > problems; I really want to serve my one trillion us

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
The purpose of this discussion (whoa, 30+ thread in the gcc mailing list for being b@d@ss) is that I will learn the sufficient amount of things so I WON'T "commit the crime". I would like to be clear from the start so I won't have any problems; I really want to serve my one trillion users

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi You missed the part about "(and is used in practice)". This terminology is superficial. Looks carelessly written. A tool with either one user or one million users would equally fit the definition. You can't take something that is not permissible under copyright law I think you are wr

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Richard Kenner
> Yes, the case is that the two pieces can be independent since they can > be used with third-party programs. The one piece would be GPL-ed tool > flow and the other piece a kind of "specialized" assembler. I recall > that many proprietary assemblers did/do exist, e.g. for x86. I think > we

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi all, what I basically want to do is a kind of "MMIX", an abstract machine that amongst other uses could be amenable to hardware compilation. This specific use is not of interest to neither this list nor GCC developers in general. There are many other uses for such a "representation" su

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi all, I believe in free software as a contribution to a better society and believe in the use of licenses such as GPLv3 to promote software sharing by providing a software commons that can be used by those who will contribute their changes to that commons, and do not consider this list - or an

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi Robert One principle that can be applied is that if you have a program in two pieces, then they are independent if either of them can be used (and is used in practice) with other programs. But if the two pieces can only work together, that seems part of the same program. I tried to get this p

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Robert Dewar
On 11/7/2012 11:08 AM, Richard Kenner wrote: Correct. A court of competent jurisdiction can decide whether your scheme conforms to the relevant licenses; neither licens...@fsf.org nor the people on this list can. A minor correction: licens...@fsf.org *could* determine that since they are the c

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Richard Kenner
> Correct. A court of competent jurisdiction can decide whether your scheme > conforms to the relevant licenses; neither licens...@fsf.org nor the > people on this list can. A minor correction: licens...@fsf.org *could* determine that since they are the copyright holders. If they say it's OK,

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Joseph S. Myers
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012, nk...@physics.auth.gr wrote: > I don't find any of these as an actual showstopper. The FSF is not entitled to > decide whether a target architecture is a spoof or not as long as it is > properly defined. Correct. A court of competent jurisdiction can decide whether your schem

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Robert Dewar
On 11/7/2012 9:44 AM, nk...@physics.auth.gr wrote: Quoting Richard Kenner : There are not many lawyers in Greece that deal with open-source licenses. The legal issue here has nothing whatsoever to do with open-source licenses: the exact same issue comes up with proprietary licenses and that,

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Quoting Richard Kenner : There are not many lawyers in Greece that deal with open-source licenses. The legal issue here has nothing whatsoever to do with open-source licenses: the exact same issue comes up with proprietary licenses and that, in fact, is where most of the precedents come from.

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi Richard Would these solve my problem? No, not as long as it's *your* machine. It would need to be a machine designed by a third-party that's completely independent of you. I would like to follow the approach of let's say MMIX (a virtual architecture). 1. Write a totally GPL-ed tool f

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Richard Kenner
> There are not many lawyers in Greece that deal with open-source licenses. The legal issue here has nothing whatsoever to do with open-source licenses: the exact same issue comes up with proprietary licenses and that, in fact, is where most of the precedents come from. The legal issue is in the

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread Richard Kenner
> There are not many lawyers in Greece that deal with open-source licenses. Then I'd suggest trying in other EU nations. I am not a lawyer, but I understand that most of the relevant issues are the same throughout the EU. > Would these solve my problem? No, not as long as it's *your* machine.

Re: Fwd: Questions regarding licensing issues

2012-11-07 Thread nkavv
Hi Richard, If you have a legal question, you should ask an attorney who specializes in copyright law as it applies to computer software. Do not rely on anything you get as a response to your question online. There are not many lawyers in Greece that deal with open-source licenses. If NAC i