Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-21 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Sandra Loosemore > wrote: >> On 01/20/2015 12:21 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Sandra Loosemore >>> wrote: Ummm, this seems like an inconsistent position. "32-bit x

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > On 01/20/2015 12:21 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Sandra Loosemore >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ummm, this seems like an inconsistent position. "32-bit x86" isn't even >>> a >>> new name; it's a restricting adjecti

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Sandra Loosemore
On 01/20/2015 12:21 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: Ummm, this seems like an inconsistent position. "32-bit x86" isn't even a new name; it's a restricting adjective "32-bit" on the existing name "x86". But "x86-32" isn't an existing real name for a

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > On 01/20/2015 11:40 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandra Loosemore >> wrote: >>> >>> Since there seems to be arguments against using both "IA-32" and "i386" >>> for >>> the 32-bit x86 architecture, how about,

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Sandra Loosemore
On 01/20/2015 11:40 AM, H.J. Lu wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: Since there seems to be arguments against using both "IA-32" and "i386" for the 32-bit x86 architecture, how about, uh, "32-bit x86"? With the other names in parentheses where appropriate? I think

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Joel Sherrill
On 1/20/2015 1:02 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Eric Botcazou wrote: >>> Ping? Any thoughts? >> x86 for the family and x86-32/x86-64 for the 2 architectures? >> > Works for me. > > Sounds good to me. You can always explain the terms and their relationship to others in a

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Eric Botcazou wrote: >> Ping? Any thoughts? > > x86 for the family and x86-32/x86-64 for the 2 architectures? > Works for me. -- H.J.

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Eric Botcazou
> Ping? Any thoughts? x86 for the family and x86-32/x86-64 for the 2 architectures? -- Eric Botcazou

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > On 01/20/2015 08:11 AM, Michael Matz wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Uros Bizjak wrote: >> At least, IA-32 is clear, although IA-64 may be confusing :-). FWIW, i386 is also vendor specific. >>> >>> >>> Wikipedia agr

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Sandra Loosemore
On 01/20/2015 08:11 AM, Michael Matz wrote: Hi, On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Uros Bizjak wrote: At least, IA-32 is clear, although IA-64 may be confusing :-). FWIW, i386 is also vendor specific. Wikipedia agrees [1]: I wouldn't use a wikipedia article that only cites sources from after 2008 (and

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Michael Matz
Hi, On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Uros Bizjak wrote: > > At least, IA-32 is clear, although IA-64 may be confusing :-). FWIW, > > i386 is also vendor specific. > > Wikipedia agrees [1]: I wouldn't use a wikipedia article that only cites sources from after 2008 (and most of them actually after the aft

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Uros Bizjak
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:23 PM, H.J. Lu wrote: >>> > ia32 is confusing because ia64 (a well known term) sounds related but >>> > can't be farther away from it, and it's also vendor specific. Our >>> > traditional i386 seems better to me (although it has its own problems, >>> > but I'm not aware

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Michael Matz wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, H.J. Lu wrote: > >> > ia32 is confusing because ia64 (a well known term) sounds related but >> > can't be farther away from it, and it's also vendor specific. Our >> > traditional i386 seems better to me (although

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Michael Matz
Hi, On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, H.J. Lu wrote: > > ia32 is confusing because ia64 (a well known term) sounds related but > > can't be farther away from it, and it's also vendor specific. Our > > traditional i386 seems better to me (although it has its own problems, > > but I'm not aware of any bette

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Michael Matz wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 19 Jan 2015, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > >> > I'd be happy to work on a patch to bring the manual to using a common >> > naming convention, but what should it be? Wikipedia seems to use >> > "x86" (lowercase) to refer to the ent

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread Michael Matz
Hi, On Mon, 19 Jan 2015, Sandra Loosemore wrote: > > I'd be happy to work on a patch to bring the manual to using a common > > naming convention, but what should it be? Wikipedia seems to use > > "x86" (lowercase) to refer to the entire family of architectures > > (including the original 16-b

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-20 Thread H.J. Lu
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Uros Bizjak wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Sandra Loosemore > wrote: > >>> I've noticed that the GCC user documentation is quite inconsistent about >>> the name(s) it uses for i386/x86-64/etc targets. invoke.texi has a >>> section for "i386 and x86-64

Re: [ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-19 Thread Uros Bizjak
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: >> I've noticed that the GCC user documentation is quite inconsistent about >> the name(s) it uses for i386/x86-64/etc targets. invoke.texi has a >> section for "i386 and x86-64 Options", but in other places the manual >> uses x86, X86, i?

[ping] Re: proper name of i386/x86-64/etc targets

2015-01-19 Thread Sandra Loosemore
On 01/01/2015 05:30 PM, Sandra Loosemore wrote: I've noticed that the GCC user documentation is quite inconsistent about the name(s) it uses for i386/x86-64/etc targets. invoke.texi has a section for "i386 and x86-64 Options", but in other places the manual uses x86, X86, i?86, i[34567]86, x86_6