Re: FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA4 now available

2013-10-07 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> The fourth ALPHA build of the 10.0-RELEASE release cycle is now available > on the FTP servers for the amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, powerpc64 and > sparc64 architectures. > > Note: Due to build issues within the head/ branch, ALPHA3 ISO builds > were skipped. > > The 10.0-ALPHA4 builds correlat

unionfs related panic on 10.0-ALPHA4

2013-10-07 Thread Olivier Cochard-Labbé
Hi all, I've got a panic on my 10.0 FreeBSD. This system was building port with poudriere and generate special nanobsd images (with unionfs usage) when it panic. I didn't have enough swap space for a full dump, I've just have a text dump: root@orange:/var/crash # cat info.last Dump header from dev

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:21PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote: > Hey all, > > RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to > use RCS please install either devel/rcs or devel/rcs57. If not, be > sure to check out the alternatives (pun stolen and intended). > Perhaps, a no

Re: [RFC][CFT] GEOM direct dispatch and fine-grained CAM locking

2013-10-07 Thread John Baldwin
On Sunday, October 06, 2013 3:30:42 am Alexander Motin wrote: > On 02.10.2013 20:30, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:32:45 am Alexander Motin wrote: > >> On 07.09.2013 02:02, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > >>> On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:29:11AM +0300, Alexander Motin wrote: > >>>

Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
Hello, I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to CURRENT. PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Development started as Google Summer of Code project in 2009. It has been in ports since Sept 2011. I maintain the project. Conceptually PEFS is similar t

Re: [RFC][CFT] GEOM direct dispatch and fine-grained CAM locking

2013-10-07 Thread Alexander Motin
On 07.10.2013 19:09, John Baldwin wrote: On Sunday, October 06, 2013 3:30:42 am Alexander Motin wrote: On 02.10.2013 20:30, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:32:45 am Alexander Motin wrote: On 07.09.2013 02:02, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:29:11AM +0300

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Nikolai Lifanov
On 10/07/13 12:31, Gleb Kurtsou wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to > CURRENT. > > PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Development > started as Google Summer of Code project in 2009. It has been in ports > since Sept 2011.

ZFS L2ARC - incorrect size and abnormal system load on r255173

2013-10-07 Thread Dmitriy Makarov
Hi all, On our production system on r255173 we have problem with abnormal high system load caused (not sure) with L2ARC placed on a few SSD, 490 GB total size. After a fresh boot everything seems to be fine, Load Average less then 5.00. But after some time (nearly day-two) Load Average jump to 1

Re: ZFS L2ARC - incorrect size and abnormal system load on r255173

2013-10-07 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013, at 13:09, Dmitriy Makarov wrote: > > How can L2 ARC Size: (Adaptive) be 1.44 TiB (up) with total physical size > of L2ARC devices 490GB? > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=251478 L2ARC compression perhaps? ___

[patch] Re: drm2/radeon dfixed_trunc() warnings

2013-10-07 Thread Sean Bruno
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 14:39 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > These caught my eye today, and the checks strewn about > sys/dev/drm2/radeon seem completely bogus to me, but I don't have the > h/w to test it at the moment. > > /usr/src/sys/modules/drm2/radeonkms/../../../dev/drm2/radeon/rs690.c:491:37: >

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Eitan Adler
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:21PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to >> use RCS please install either devel/rcs or devel/rcs57. If not, be >> sure to check out th

Re: ZFS L2ARC - incorrect size and abnormal system load on r255173

2013-10-07 Thread Vitalij Satanivskij
Data on pool have compressratio around 1.4 On diferent servers with same data type and load L2 ARC Size: (Adaptive) can be diferent for example 1.04TiB vs 1.45TiB But it's all have same porblem - grow in time. More stange for us - ARC: 80G Total, 4412M MFU, 5040M MRU, 76M Anon,

Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Zbigniew Bodek
Hello. I would like to present a patch for ns8250 serial that I would like to commit in the near future (if there are no objections). The patch is fixing newest DesignWare UART with busy detection. During frequency divisors configuration when UART is busy transferring or receiving data, line cont

[CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Allan Jude
Devin Teske and I have been working on a big patch to bsdinstall to implement installing on a ZFS pool. It supports both GPT and MBR, the 4k sector gnop trick, and optional GELI encryption. We would like to commit this in time for 10.0-BETA1 so it needs some testing to work out any obvious bugs bef

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi Gleb & All Gleb Kurtsou wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to > CURRENT. > > PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Development > started as Google Summer of Code project in 2009. It has been in ports > since Sept 2011. I mai

Continuous timeout messages from 10.0 alpha4

2013-10-07 Thread Shane Ambler
Resending to current This is a regression between alpha2 and alpha4. I first setup a disk to boot 10 just after alpha2 was tagged. A few days ago I updated to alpha4 and started getting timeout messages, I have just built alpha5 r256098 and still get them. I just had 10 running for a few hours a

FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA5 now available

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
The fifth ALPHA build of the 10.0-RELEASE release cycle is now available on the FTP servers for the amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, powerpc64 and sparc64 architectures. The 10.0-ALPHA5 builds correlate to svn revision r256092 of the head/ branch. The image checksums follow at the end of this email.

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi, You should add: * a loop counter, to break out after a while; * a DELAY(1) or something. -adrian On 7 October 2013 12:54, Zbigniew Bodek wrote: > Hello. > > I would like to present a patch for ns8250 serial that I would like to > commit in the near future (if there are no objections).

Re: Continuous timeout messages from 10.0 alpha4

2013-10-07 Thread Mark Johnston
Rebuilding sysutils/hal should fix this problem. It's been reported several times in the past week or two, and rebuilding this port fixed it for me when I ran into it. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Shane Ambler wrote: > Resending to current > > This is a regression between alpha2 and alpha4.

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Nikolai Lifanov wrote: > On 10/07/13 12:31, Gleb Kurtsou wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to >> CURRENT. >> >> PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Development >> started as Google Summer of

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi Gleb & All > Gleb Kurtsou wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to >> CURRENT. >> >> PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Development >> started as Google Summer of

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 13:15 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > You should add: > > *[snip] > * a DELAY(1) or something. > Why? Why oh why do people write while (!read_some_status_register()) DELAY(n); when DELAY() is implemented as, roughly: while (read_some_counter_register() <

FreeBSD 10.0-ALPHA5 Virtual Machine Images Available

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
In somewhat of a followup to the 10.0-ALPHA5 announcement... Preinstalled virtual machine images for 10.0-ALPHA5 are now available for amd64 and i386 architectures. The images are located under the 'snapshots' directory on FTP, here: http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/VM-IMAGES/Lat

Re: X related ports not finding version strings and hanging

2013-10-07 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Kevin Oberman wrote: As usual with such upgrades, pkg_libchk is your friend. Assuming you have updated pixman: portmaster graphics/libGL graphics/dri pkg_libchk -o | grep pixman | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq > pixman-files.txt portmaster =D `cat pixman-files.txt` portmaster -aD

Re: unionfs related panic on 10.0-ALPHA4

2013-10-07 Thread Olivier Cochard-Labbé
I've just have another crash related to mount_unionfs but on sparc64 arch this time ( 10.0-ALPHA4 #2 r255947). Still no core dump: panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: 1c05f2000 cpuid = 0 KDB: stack backtrace: panic() at panic+0x1d4 vm_fault_hold() at vm_fault_hold+0x174 vm_fault() at

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
I'd love to see a linux style way of saying "I'd like to sleep from roughly this time interval to this time interval; feel free to do what you need." Then yes, it could be implemented as a sleep wakeup from a timer, or as a call to a hypervisor to do the same, or .. or... -adrian On 7 October

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Zbigniew Bodek
Hello Adrian, Thank you for your remarks. Please check my answers in-line. Best regards Zbigniew Bodek 2013/10/7 Adrian Chadd > Hi, > > You should add: > > * a loop counter, to break out after a while; > [ZBB] In general as long as UART is busy we cannot proceed but if the timeout occurs we c

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard keyboard mapping' prompt to no Please see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/162175 . ___ freebsd-c

CURRENT BUILD FAILURE sys/modules/cxgbe

2013-10-07 Thread Outback Dingo
cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I/usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/if_cxgbe/../../../dev/cxgbe -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -fno-common -g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mno-omit-leaf-frame-

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Allan Jude
On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > >> Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: >> 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard keyboard mapping' prompt >> to no > > Please see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/162175 . > __

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 22:36 +0200, Zbigniew Bodek wrote: > Hello Adrian, > > Thank you for your remarks. > Please check my answers in-line. > > Best regards > Zbigniew Bodek > > > 2013/10/7 Adrian Chadd > > > Hi, > > > > You should add: > > > > * a loop counter, to break out after a while; >

Re: CURRENT BUILD FAILURE sys/modules/cxgbe

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:52 -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc > -I/usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/if_cxgbe/../../../dev/cxgbe > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/a

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Outback Dingo
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > > > >> Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: > >> 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard keyboard mapping' prompt > >> to no > > > > Ple

rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I know I am a certified crank, but ... why? This is some of the simplest code on the planet. Is it broken by recent OS releases? I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, a simple 'c

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 14:56 -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 22:36 +0200, Zbigniew Bodek wrote: > > Hello Adrian, > > > > Thank you for your remarks. > > Please check my answers in-line. > > > > Best regards > > Zbigniew Bodek > > > > > > 2013/10/7 Adrian Chadd > > > > > Hi, >

Re: CURRENT BUILD FAILURE sys/modules/cxgbe

2013-10-07 Thread Outback Dingo
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:52 -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: > > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE > -nostdinc > > -I/usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/if_cxgbe/../../../dev/cxgbe > > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > >

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files on > individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, sysctl.conf, > a simple 'ci -l xxx' is a trivial way to maintain local revision control. And sorry

Re: ZFS L2ARC - incorrect size and abnormal system load on r255173

2013-10-07 Thread Vitalij Satanivskij
One more question - we have two counter - kstat.zfs.misc.arcstats.l2_size: 1256609410560 kstat.zfs.misc.arcstats.l2_asize: 1149007667712 can anybody explain how to understand them i.e. l2_asize - real used space on l2arc an l2_size - uncompressed size, or maybe something else ? Vitalij

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:08, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On 2013-10-07, at 2:02 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > I use ci/co every single day to track changes to individual config files > on individual machines. For simple things like ntp.conf, rc.conf, > sysctl.conf, a simple 'ci -l xxx' is a tri

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:08 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > And sorry, what I left out was how having ci/co in the base is immensely > helpful with the installer scripts I write. The server installation scripts > I've cooked up use ci(1) to keep a record of changes made during the > (possibly custo

Re: Changes to UART ns8250

2013-10-07 Thread Zbigniew Bodek
Hello Ian. Well you can't really perform wake event basing on busy interrupt because we are busy waiting/sleeping i.a. to avoid that interrupt to occur. I tried to use pause() that should switch to another task for the declared amount of time and I got: "panic: mi_switch: switch in a critical sect

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On 10/7/13 2:14 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:08 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: And sorry, what I left out was how having ci/co in the base is immensely helpful with the installer scripts I write. The server installation scripts I've cooked up use ci(1) to keep a record of ch

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. > So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute a kernel and a few bits that are barel

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Igor. You wrote 8 октября 2013 г., 1:26:07: >> Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. IM> So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD IM> decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute IM> a kernel and a few bits tha

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > > > Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. > > > > So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD > decide to move away from distrib

Kernel build fail for generic on r256122 (if_cxgbe)

2013-10-07 Thread Paul Webster
Details on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dNzL3yXR ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Allan Jude
On 2013-10-07 17:00, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > >> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: >>> Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard k

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 7 October 2013 22:28, Lev Serebryakov wrote: svnlite? :) > Thanks Lev & Glen- it's something to explore albeit that screws up quite a lot of stuff on this end... Cheers, -- Igor M. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebs

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Teske, Devin
On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2013-10-07 17:00, Outback Dingo wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Allan Jude wrote: >> >>> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > Additional, it includes some other changes to bsd

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread David Chisnall
On 7 Oct 2013, at 22:14, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > "Install from ports" is a non-starter. Our development systems will never be > connected to the internet for a ports upgrade. In this environment, in-base > RCS is a very useful tool. Why is install from packages any harder than installing t

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
.. don't be surprised how many people do exactly this; then compile what handful of things they need from source in order to make a server. -adrian On 7 October 2013 14:53, David Chisnall wrote: > On 7 Oct 2013, at 22:14, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > "Install from ports" is a non-starter.

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Subbsd
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > Hey all, > > RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to > use RCS please install either devel/rcs or devel/rcs57. If not, be > sure to check out the alternatives (pun stolen and intended). > > rc.subr use rcs in bac

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On 7 October 2013 22:28, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > > svnlite? :) > > > > Thanks Lev & Glen- it's something to explore albeit that screws up quite a > lot of stuff on this end... > Why does that screw up anything? Just include the RCS pack

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Outback Dingo
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Teske, Devin wrote: > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > > > On 2013-10-07 17:00, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Allan Jude > wrote: > >> > >>> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Jilles Tjoelker
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:21PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote: > RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to > use RCS please install either devel/rcs or devel/rcs57. If not, be > sure to check out the alternatives (pun stolen and intended). Thanks for removing this piece

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Teske, Devin
On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Teske, Devin > wrote: > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > > > On 2013-10-07 17:00, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > >> > >>> On 2013-10-07

Re: CURRENT BUILD FAILURE sys/modules/cxgbe

2013-10-07 Thread Dimitry Andric
On Oct 7, 2013, at 23:04, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:52 -0400, Outback Dingo wrote: >>> cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE >> -nostdinc >>> -I/usr/src/sys/modules/cxgbe/if_cxgbe/../../../de

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Allan Jude
On 2013-10-07 18:25, Teske, Devin wrote: > On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Teske, Devin >> wrote: >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Allan Jude wrote: >> >>> On 2013-10-07 17:00, Outback Dingo wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, A

[head tinderbox] failure on amd64/amd64

2013-10-07 Thread FreeBSD Tinderbox
TB --- 2013-10-07 18:40:22 - tinderbox 2.20 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2013-10-07 18:40:22 - FreeBSD freebsd-current.sentex.ca 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Mar 26 13:54:12 EDT 2012 d...@freebsd-current.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 TB --- 2013

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, > without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. We are physically air-gapped from the internet, none

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Diane Bruce
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 03:45:23PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > > > Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your > > systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? > > We install from the base release

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Gleb Kurtsou wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi Gleb & All > > Gleb Kurtsou wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I would like to ask everybody's opinion regarding committing PEFS to > >> CURRENT. > >> > >> PEFS is a stacked cryptographic file system for FreeBSD. Devel

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 3:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Having RCS in the base system is very useful. We use it to track changes to > bits of /etc on the machines where we don't do wholesale customizations. > (Those ones get git, but they also get an install of /usr/ports with a fully > popula

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 09:31 -0700: > Patch is available here: > https://github.com/glk/freebsd-head/commit/b4d2c4a5f42f88fdd07cb75feba3467e4d4c043c.patch Is there a reason you are writing your own AES-NI implementation instead of using the OpenCrypto framework? I

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi! Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. If everyone who communicates says "x" and no-one says anything about the other letters "a"->"w", "y", "z", then we as developers don't really have a good cross-section of what peopl

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:37 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far > earlier in the development process. So when was this first discussed? I've been on -current for over a decade. If I missed a prior discussion I truly apologize. --

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 7:37 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi! Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback like this far, far earlier in the development process. Adiran this is the first I've heard of removing RCS. I would have screamed about it had I heard anything.. so now that I officially regi

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 09:31 -0700: >> Patch is available here: >> https://github.com/glk/freebsd-head/commit/b4d2c4a5f42f88fdd07cb75feba3467e4d4c043c.patch > > Is there a reason you are writing your own AES

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. -a On 7 October 2013 16:46, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 10/8/13 7:37 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Then you and others should stand up and provide feedback lik

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's users will never use your preferred communication media. So when you propose to remove a feature, absence of pu

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 7 October 2013 16:58, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On 2013-10-07, at 4:49 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. > > Adrian, something to keep in mind is that the majority of your code's > users will never use your preferred communication me

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/7/13 11:06 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:21PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote: Hey all, RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to use RCS please install either devel/rcs or devel/rcs57. If not, be sure to check out the alternatives (pun stolen

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 6:45 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 2:53 PM, David Chisnall wrote: Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. We are phy

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:00, Adrian Chadd wrote: [snip] Oh, I know it's an up-hill battle. But I honestly thought that this had > been communicated on a list somewhere. It seems.. not. I don't know why. > Gah. It's been communicated at Sun, 6 Oct 2013 22:43:21 -0400, but that doesn't meed there's

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard keyboard mapping' prompt to no Please see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/quer

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Teske, Devin
On Oct 7, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > >> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: >>> Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: 1. Change the default to the 'non-standard keyb

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 16:47 -0700: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 09:31 -0700: > >> Patch is available here: > >> https://github.com/glk/freebsd-head/commit/b4d2c4a5f42f88fdd07c

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Julian Elischer wrote this message on Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:01 +0800: > not a big thing but I believe that a lot of poeple use ci/co on /etc > becasue it is "just there" +1 -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Allan Jude
On 2013-10-07 20:21, Teske, Devin wrote: > On Oct 7, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: >> >>> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > Additional, it includes some other changes to bsdinstall: >

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Glen Barber wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 17:29 -0400: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. > > > > > > > So there's no version c

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 5:29 AM, Glen Barber wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:26:07PM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: On 7 October 2013 22:15, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Well, it has been announced, and is available as a port. So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide t

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread Gleb Kurtsou
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 16:47 -0700: >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: >> > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 09:31 -0700: >> >> Patch is available here: >> >>

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread George Mitchell
On 10/07/13 20:28, John-Mark Gurney wrote: Julian Elischer wrote this message on Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:01 +0800: not a big thing but I believe that a lot of poeple use ci/co on /etc becasue it is "just there" +1 Folks, this is just plain a major violation of the Principle of Least Amazemen

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD > > > decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just distribute > > > a kernel and a few bits that are barely sufficient for the initial

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:40 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: >> svnlite? >> > fail I won't go that far, immediately. But I need a tool that lets me migrate the history of my RCS files to the new regime. And the new tools(s) *must* be part of the base system. (Migration tools included.) And the new

Re: Buying recommendation for silent router/fileserver

2013-10-07 Thread Adam McDougall
Finally got around to it, kern/182818. Thanks for the encouragement. On 10/12/12 11:14, Adam McDougall wrote: I did not, but I put it on my list to try to accomplish. On 10/11/12 13:41, Adrian Chadd wrote: Did you ever file a PR for the slow SATA behaviour? Adrian On 11 October 2012 09:52

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Glen Barber wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 20:42 -0400: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > > So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD > > > > decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why not just > > > > d

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:49 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if > it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. > > > -a It was mentioned briefly on stable@ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-August/0692

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Dmitry Morozovsky
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > Or do you really only run the base OS and no other software on your > > > systems, without any of your own code or any customisation? > > We install from the base release ISO images burned on DVDs. > > > > We are physically air-gapped from the inte

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > No, not really. > > > > # mkdir local > > # svnadmin create ./local > > # svn import /etc file:///$PWD/local > > besides the s/svn/svnlite/ you forgot... It doesn't work... Sure it WITH_SVN in src.conf will insta

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:58, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:49 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > I've asked on IRC to figure out when this was first proposed. I'll see if > > it was announced anywhere or if Eitan snuck it in. > > > > > > -a > > It was mentioned briefly on stable@ > > http:

Re: [CFT] Patch to bsdinstall to support root-on-ZFS and GELI

2013-10-07 Thread Teske, Devin
On Oct 7, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2013-10-07 20:21, Teske, Devin wrote: >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 5:18 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: >>> On 2013-10-07 16:43, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2013, Allan Jude wrote: > >> Ad

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On 8 October 2013 01:59, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > [snip] > > Plus, I was quite reasured that svn isn't smart enough to realize that > > a path might be a file: url relative to the current working directory... > > I don't know what

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion > involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it > showed up in some of the messages there. I don't see any discussion as to why the code (CVS, in this

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:03:44AM +0100, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On 8 October 2013 01:59, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:54:23PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > Plus, I was quite reasured that svn isn't smart enough to realize that > > > a path mi

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Xin Li
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/07/13 17:42, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 05:36:42PM -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote: So there's no version control in the base at all now?.. When did FreeBSD decide to move away from distributing a usable OS? Why n

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Julian Elischer
On 10/8/13 9:05 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memory that it showed up in some of the messages there. I don't see any dis

Re: Committing PEFS to CURRENT

2013-10-07 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 17:41 -0700: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this message on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 16:47 -0700: > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > >> > Gleb Kurtsou wrote this messa

Re: [Heads Up] RCS removed from base

2013-10-07 Thread Steve Kargl
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:01:34AM +0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 10/7/13 11:06 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 10:43:21PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> Hey all, > >> > >> RCS was removed from the base system in r256095. If you still want to > >> use RCS please install eith

Re: rcs is gone?

2013-10-07 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 10/8/13 9:05 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >> On 2013-10-07, at 5:58 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: >> >> I have not re-read those threads to see just how much of the discussion >>> involved rcs, I just spot-checked a few and confirmed my memor

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