floppy install [was: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf]

2003-11-18 Thread Peter Schultz
Jun Kuriyama wrote: kuriyama2003/11/12 00:08:16 PST FreeBSD src repository Modified files: release/i386 drivers.conf Log: Move cd9660 module from 3rd floppy to 2nd to unbreak release. Revision ChangesPath 1.31 +1 -1 src/release/i386/drivers.conf > I

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Jul-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: >> > So, given that the install from a CDROM boots from a floppy >> > image that's faked up by the CDROM drive BIOS, and the image >> > doesn't include the full boot loader, how exactly is it that >> > the partial boot loader code acts like

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-27 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > > So, given that the install from a CDROM boots from a floppy > > image that's faked up by the CDROM drive BIOS, and the image > > doesn't include the full boot loader, how exactly is it that > > the partial boot loader code acts like the full bootloader > > code for accessing

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 25-Jul-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: > "M. Warner Losh" wrote: >> : Think "CDROM install". >> >> Dude, what crack are you smoking? How many times to we have to tell >> you. We have a boot loader that knows how to read the kernel from the >> cdrom or scsi or whatever. IT is a tiny increment to

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-27 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > I've noticed that some of the older cam drivers are about all that is > > in the way of making CAM truly loadable. By that I mean having a > > kernel with all supported devices that aren't loadable forces CAM to > > be in the kernel because some

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-27 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > : Think "CDROM install". > > > > Dude, what crack are you smoking? How many times to we have to tell > > you. We have a boot loader that knows how to read the kernel from the > > cdrom or scsi or whatever. IT is a tiny increment to also load >

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 14:01, Terry Lambert wrote: > So, given that the install from a CDROM boots from a floppy > image that's faked up by the CDROM drive BIOS, and the image > doesn't include the full boot loader, how exactly is it that > the partial boot loader code acts like the full bootloader

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Scott Long
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 06:47:01PM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Makoto Matsushita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : > : ru> This was "broken" again. I don't have any ideas of what to move > : ru> out. > : > : There are some ideas to do around boot f

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > : Think "CDROM install". > > Dude, what crack are you smoking? How many times to we have to tell > you. We have a boot loader that knows how to read the kernel from the > cdrom or scsi or whatever. IT is a tiny increment to also load > additional modules at that time

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 13:11, Terry Lambert wrote: > > If your argument was true then the kernel would need to load itself :) > > Think "CDROM install". Think "No Emulation Booting" True the default is emulation booting off a 2.88Mb image but work is being done for no-emulation booting (actually

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Terry Lambert
Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 11:45, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Anything in the boot path needs to be static, by definition, > > or you face the Catch-22 of needing to load the driver in > > order to be able to load the driver. > > Uhh, not really. > If your BIOS supports it (which

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Daniel O'Connor wrote: : > On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 11:45, Terry Lambert wrote: : > > Anything in the boot path needs to be static, by definition, : > > or you face the Catch-22 of needing to load the driver in :

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : "M. Warner Losh" wrote: : > I've noticed that some of the older cam drivers are about all that is : > in the way of making CAM truly loadable. By that I mean having a : > kernel with all supported devices that

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 11:45, Terry Lambert wrote: > Anything in the boot path needs to be static, by definition, > or you face the Catch-22 of needing to load the driver in > order to be able to load the driver. Uhh, not really. If your BIOS supports it (which it must for you to boot off it) then

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jul 24), Terry Lambert said: > "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > I've noticed that some of the older cam drivers are about all that is > > in the way of making CAM truly loadable. By that I mean having a > > kernel with all supported devices that aren't loadable forces CAM to > > b

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > I've noticed that some of the older cam drivers are about all that is > in the way of making CAM truly loadable. By that I mean having a > kernel with all supported devices that aren't loadable forces CAM to > be in the kernel because some of the SCSI devices aren't (yet

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Makoto Matsushita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : ru> This was "broken" again. I don't have any ideas of what to move : ru> out. : : There are some ideas to do around boot floppies in my mind: : : 1) More drivers to move kernel modules, including oth

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Makoto Matsushita
brooks> It does work though. It should work, but I wonder if 5-current kernel can mount CD-ROM as the root filesystem. I've tried before (March/2002 or something), but it doesn't work, kernel refused to mount CD-ROM (see email archive for more detail). Sorry if it was already fixed. -- - Mako

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Brooks Davis
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 03:03:44PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 24-Jul-2002 Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > > > jhay> nfsclient.ko and msdosfs.ko exists nowadays, so in theory it can > > jhay> reside somewhere else. > > > > It seems that it's time to make the 3rd floppy for kernel modules...

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread John Baldwin
On 24-Jul-2002 Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > jhay> nfsclient.ko and msdosfs.ko exists nowadays, so in theory it can > jhay> reside somewhere else. > > It seems that it's time to make the 3rd floppy for kernel modules... We could start using cdboot for CD installs, and then just tailor the flopp

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > We can save some space (I think) by not gziping the individual help > files, but leave them unzipped. Then the final gzip of the whole image > should be able to do a better job of it. But I doubt if it will give > us enough room for nfsclient.ko and msdosfs.ko. :-/ Maybe we should > sta

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Makoto Matsushita
jhay> nfsclient.ko and msdosfs.ko exists nowadays, so in theory it can jhay> reside somewhere else. It seems that it's time to make the 3rd floppy for kernel modules... -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Makoto Matsushita
ru> This was "broken" again. I don't have any ideas of what to move ru> out. There are some ideas to do around boot floppies in my mind: 1) More drivers to move kernel modules, including other network drivers, pccard and friends, filesystems, etc. Apparantly it reduces kernel size so ke

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread John Hay
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 08:07:11PM +0200, John Hay wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:54:26AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > > > > > > > ru> Moved vx(4) and all miibus consumers (including miibus) out > > > > ru> from kern.flp to mfsroot.flp. This leaves 9K of the free > > > > ru

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 08:07:11PM +0200, John Hay wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:54:26AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > > > > > ru> Moved vx(4) and all miibus consumers (including miibus) out > > > ru> from kern.flp to mfsroot.flp. This leaves 9K of the free > > > ru> space fo

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread John Hay
> On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:54:26AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > > > ru> Moved vx(4) and all miibus consumers (including miibus) out > > ru> from kern.flp to mfsroot.flp. This leaves 9K of the free > > ru> space for kern.flp. > > > > Yey! 5-current distribution will come back aga

Re: cvs commit: src/release/i386 drivers.conf

2002-07-24 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:54:26AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: > > ru> Moved vx(4) and all miibus consumers (including miibus) out > ru> from kern.flp to mfsroot.flp. This leaves 9K of the free > ru> space for kern.flp. > > Yey! 5-current distribution will come back again, thank you!