Re: PKGNG: virtualbox-ose wants lang/gcc AND pdftk wants lang/gcc46

+--On 12 janvier 2014 03:00:53 +0100 vermaden wrote: | Where is the logic?I can not install lang/gcc and lang/gcc46 both at the | same time.Any hints? How to use BOTH virtualbox and pdftk using | PKGNG? Hum, I fixed this on January 4th[1], so it should be fixed in the current packages set. 1:

Re: PKGNG: virtualbox-ose wants lang/gcc AND pdftk wants lang/gcc46

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 03:00:53 +0100 vermaden wrote: > Where is the logic?I can not install lang/gcc and lang/gcc46 both at > the same time.Any hints? How to use BOTH virtualbox and pdftk using > PKGNG? Please send ports/package related emails to the freebsd-ports mailing list. To answer your quest

Re: pkgng

According to Adrian Chadd: > .. well, where'd you point it to? On my own machine I generate the packages myself with poudriere because I have multiple jails I update. On a more generic machine, I use pkg-test.freebsd.org. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- robe...@keltia.f

Re: pkgng

.. well, where'd you point it to? -adrian On 23 August 2013 23:04, Hideki Yamamoto wrote: > Hi, > > I solved my problem by myself. > I update PACKAGESITE in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf in accordance with > the information in another expert web site. > > --- > > > > 2013/8/24 Hideki Yamamoto > >

Re: pkgng

Hi, I solved my problem by myself. I update PACKAGESITE in /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf in accordance with the information in another expert web site. --- 2013/8/24 Hideki Yamamoto > > Hi, > > As I moved from old pkg_xxx to pkg2ng. > But I cannot install any new packages as follows: > > # rm -f

Re: pkgng and vmware-tools

Actually, I was mentioning their oficial tools, which provided as a cd with esxi. I thought maybe.situatiin like these will require some fake, but working pkg_info (and maybe other tools too, this could.be made as a different wrapper-port) when pkg are used and pkg_legacy not present (they should g

Re: pkgng | portmaster

On 15/10/2012 18:13, Darrel wrote: > Hello, > > Concerning the new pkg system, I reckon that my port updates can take a > drought. > > Would it be best to deinstall portmaster for now? Portmaster typically > updates itself, but this might be a special case. > > Currently, my postmaster run ends

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 01-09-2012 21:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases, >> but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for >> all releases. Somewhere in between the ports and the v

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 02/09/2012 08:16, Doug Barton wrote: > On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow >> as part of normal maintenance > > Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo > database up to date as it's making

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 09/01/2012 12:59, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Again, this is part of the reason why I suggested multiple release > trains. Although it's more painful for bapt@, et all, it's ultimately > what would need to be done in order for pkgng to be packaged with a > release or set of releases. Garrett,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote: > As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow > as part of normal maintenance Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo database up to date as it's making changes? -- I am only one, but I am one.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 02/09/2012 01:04, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Will new versions of pkgng support old packages? > > Some folks maintain their own package repositories and > will get rather grumpy if an update to pkgng requires them > to rebuild their entire repository. There's a distinction between the format of pkg

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases, >> but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for >> all releases. Somewhere in between the ports

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 08:40:03PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases, > > but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for > > all releases. Somewhere in bet

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases, >> but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for >> all releases. Somewhere in between the po

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 01/09/2012 18:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > In this scenario the ports tree needs to keep support for older releases, > but that's a consequence of the fact that there's only one ports tree for > all releases. Somewhere in between the ports and the various releases there > has to be some form enca

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 9/1/2012 7:43 PM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: I agree with Joh

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >> On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

Hi, I think the details of the patch would need to be worked out a bit, but I think you are on the right track. I think it would be nice to: (1) Have deprecation warnings in the legacy pkg_* tools. If someone types "pkg_add", maybe warn them that it is deprecated, and they

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:41:13 am Chris Rees wrote: > On 31 Aug 2012 13:15, "John Baldwin" wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 31 August 2012 16:47, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: >>>

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >> > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: >> >> On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: >> >>> >> >> I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wr

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 31-08-2012 14:22, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >> On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 31 Aug 2012 13:15, "John Baldwin" wrote: > > On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: > > >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 08:10:50AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Re

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:59:10 am Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: > > On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: > > >> On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: > > >>>

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:02:06PM -1000, Doug Barton wrote: > On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: > >> On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: > >>> > > I agree with John on all counts here. Further, the idea of a > self-i

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/30/2012 07:32 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: >> On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote: On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday, August 26, 20

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:10:24 pm Chris Rees wrote: > On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > > On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > > > >> Th

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 30 Aug 2012 18:03, "John Baldwin" wrote: > > On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > > >> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:39:17 am Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > >> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the > >> base magically deleting themselves. > >> > >> As I h

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: >> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the >> base magically deleting themselves. >> >> As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being >> overbl

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the > base magically deleting themselves. > > As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being > overblown by several orders of magnitude. For newly i

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012/8/26 Baptiste Daroussin : > I received more feedback about keep pkg and changing it to > pkg-bootstrap, so what should I do, changing it because you are asking for it? So, just a "me too" for renaming pkg, for consistency. I don't mind the new name... -- Olivier Smedts

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: ... There really is no need to be so clever here. The bootstrapping issue is going to be a minor annoyance that affects a small percentage of our users. I think Doug's correct in this case about it being a "one-time problem" as installing via bsdinsta

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 2012-Aug-26 12:27:41 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >On 08/26/2012 12:08, Ian Lepore wrote: >> Maybe it could rename itself to /usr/local/sbin/pkg-bootstrap as part of >> replacing itself, so that you could re-bootstrap your way out of a >> problem later. > >That's certainly creative thinking, but I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 13:35, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: This isn't the security issu

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote: On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: This isn't the security issue I was talking about by having sbin/pkg pass every comman

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 13:02, namor wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to >>> /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > > confusing that running the comma

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 12:08, Ian Lepore wrote: > Would this get better if the bootstrap tool were named pkg and were > installed on a fresh system at /usr/local/sbin, so that it in effect > replaces itself with the real thing, and has no need to leave a > forwarding stub in /usr/sbin ? > > Maybe it could

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > This isn't the security issue I was talking about by having sbin/pkg > > pass every command line to local/sbin/pkg. > >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 11:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> >>> The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg >>> bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg > > bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have been discussing > > with > > Security off

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg > bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have been discussing > with > Security officers and we are waiting for the plan being written and setup by > them,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/26/2012 11:37, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: >>> True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have >>> to install pkgng by hand. >> >> Just like all the other ports you have

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: > > True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to > > install pkgng by hand. > > Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail. > > > -- > > I am on

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: > True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to > install pkgng by hand. Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 02:26:50PM +0200, Jilles Tjoelker wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:34:43PM -0500, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > > On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem? > > > Off the top of my head, it seems to

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 06:34:43PM -0500, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: > On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem? > Off the top of my head, it seems to represent a break in the chain of > trust: how does the bootstrapper verify

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/24/2012 07:01 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Can anyone give me he details on the security related problem? Off the top of my head, it seems to represent a break in the chain of trust: how does the bootstrapper verify that the tarball it just d

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/24/2012 11:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other people's poorly written docs. This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > > On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton > (mailto:do...@freebsd.org)> wrote: > > > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to > > > need the bo

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 5:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: >>> Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to >>> need the boot

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to > need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. But surely the whole point of pkgng is that people *will* use pkg as the default method of acquiring third-party software,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:47:26AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > On Saturday, 25 August 2012 at 01:33, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > > > On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton > > (mailto:do...@freebsd.org)> wrote: > > > > Let me rep

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: > On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: > > Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever going to > > need the bootstrapping tool that will be in the base. > So, then they won't use it. I fail to see the p

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 03:38:33PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion, > > here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg: > > > > it first checks i

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion, > here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg: > > it first checks if ${LOCALBASE}/sbin/pkg is there - if yes it > directly execute ${LOCALBASE}/

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: >> I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other >> people's poorly written docs. > > This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a > tool to exist, which doesn't.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/24/2012 11:02 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote: >> On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: > On of the thing I forgo

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50:30AM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: > >> Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: > >> > >>> On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: >> Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: >> >>> On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in >>> case it >>> is going to bootstrap. >> >> So, removing the prompt will m

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 02:23:47PM +0200, Alex Dupre wrote: > Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: > > > On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in > > case it > > is going to bootstrap. > > So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-) > > What about a prompt wi

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

Baptiste Daroussin ha scritto: > On of the thing I forgot and kan@ has added is a prompt for the user in case > it > is going to bootstrap. So, removing the prompt will make everybody happy? :-) What about a prompt with timeout? "This is the first time pkg is run, I'll start bootstrapping in 10

RE: pkgng default release schedule (contd...)

On 24 Aug 2012 11:08, "Jeffrey Bouquet" wrote: > > A few more reasons (unless I have not seen some relevant documentation to the contrary) to not mandate pkgng as the default... Why don't you phrase this as "How can one ..." so you sound less negative? > Nowadays, one can save time by installing

RE: pkgng default release schedule (contd...)

A few more reasons (unless I have not seen some relevant documentation to the contrary) to not mandate pkgng as the default... Nowadays, one can save time by installing two ports which officially or unofficially conflict, and have /var/db/pkg entries for both, and even local workarounds (for ins

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 08/24/2012 10:15, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to >> /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is >> confusing that running the comma

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:00:25 -0400 Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills wrote: > > > As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things: > > okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or > even *our* documentation on how to install som

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is ru

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/24/2012 3:57 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills wrote: Hi, It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is confusing that running the command gets different results the secon

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills wrote: As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things: okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or even *our* documentation on how to install something unrelated, like sa

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: > No, POLA refers to not changing long-established practices out from > under the user. forget pola > > I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other > people's poorly written docs. This isn't about poorly written docs. This is

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/23/2012 7:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >>> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >>> >>> Because the how-to may not be for

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 23 August 2012 22:55, Steve Wills wrote: > As far as I understand it, POLA is about changing existing things: okay, so forget POLA. My point is that a user following a how to or even *our* documentation on how to install something unrelated, like say, apache, will be very confused when the d

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >>> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >>> >>> Because the how-to may

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills wrote: > On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: >> >>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >> >> Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;) > > The possibility of bad docs so

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: > >> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? > > Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;) The possibility of bad docs somewhere outside of our control, when we can (and I am

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: > Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;) -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/list

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to >> /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is >> confusing that running the command gets diff

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 23 August 2012 18:19, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is run vs. the first t

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:19:57 -0400 Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg > to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, > it is confusing that running the command gets different results the > second time it is run vs. th

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

Le Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:27:13 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin a écrit : Hello, > > So, opinions? There may still be time to fix it for 9.1 if we can > > decide quickly. > > > I do personnally have no opinion on this, I have hesitated long > between both before choosing /usr/sbin/pkg. > > I'm interest

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/23/2012 5:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is run vs. the first time

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is run vs. the first time

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 06:19:57PM -0400, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is ru

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:50:11PM -0400, Kris Moore wrote: > Well, it was about time I got to doing a benchmark of this anyway :) > I did quick benchmark of how one of our utilities parses through a list > of 1k packages on a newer i5 system: > First test, using /var/db/pkg/ check we have been d

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/22/2012 5:27 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 21/08/2012 22:15, Doug Barton wrote: > >> And in this case, it doesn't matter how awesome the new tools >> are, they are a MAJOR paradigm shift for how users interact with >> ports, and we are > > Unless

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

Hm, it's sqlite, so if the tables are indexed correctly, that should be a quick query? Or is it recursing through each dependency and listing that too? adrian ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freeb

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 08/23/2012 16:31, olli hauer wrote: > On 2012-08-23 21:50, Kris Moore wrote: >> On 08/23/2012 13:10, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > I am following with dread the planned implementation of the

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 2012-08-23 21:50, Kris Moore wrote: > On 08/23/2012 13:10, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: >>> On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of /var/db/pkg as a packag

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:50:11PM -0400, Kris Moore wrote: > On 08/23/2012 13:10, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: > >> On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > >>> I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation > >>> o

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 23 August 2012 20:50, Kris Moore wrote: > On 08/23/2012 13:10, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: >>> On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of /var/db/pkg as a p

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 08/23/2012 13:10, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: >> On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: >>> I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of >>> /var/db/pkg as a package registry... I use each /var/db/pkg director

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 08:29:53PM +0200, Julien Laffaye wrote: > > portmaster or via core dumping install. By installing on one box, > > my home box, port security/cyrus-sasl2 manually, luckily install and > > mtree didn't coredump and it worked - and this procedure rescued me. > > But on my lab's

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 8/23/2012 6:26 PM, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of /var/db/pkg as a package registry... I use each /var/db/pkg directory as a database into the port installation/status, using sed/grep/portmaster/portmanager/.sh scripts/find/

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Kris Moore wrote: > On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: >> I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of >> /var/db/pkg as a package registry... I use each /var/db/pkg directory as a >> database into the port installation/sta

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 23 Aug 2012 17:50, "Kris Moore" wrote: > > On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > > I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of /var/db/pkg as a package registry... I use each /var/db/pkg directory as a database into the port installation/status, using sed/

Re: pkgng default schedule... registering a few reasons for rethinking the final implementation...

On 08/23/2012 12:26, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > I am following with dread the planned implementation of the deprecation of > /var/db/pkg as a package registry... I use each /var/db/pkg directory as a > database into the port installation/status, using > sed/grep/portmaster/portmanager/.sh scripts/

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