Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-09 Thread Julian Elischer
Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > > Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I believe that vmware mmaps a region of memory and then somehow syncs > > > > it to disk. (It is certainly doing something like it here). > >

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-09 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Andrew Gallatin writes: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I believe that vmware mmaps a region of memory and then somehow syncs > > > it to disk. (It is certainly doing something like it here). > > > > Theory: VMWare mmaps a regio

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Julian Elischer
David Malone wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:47:59PM +, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > what does systat -vmstat or vmstat 1 > > > show? > > > Better still, I guess we could do a linux-truss > > > and see what it's doing... > > > > I believe that it's strace under linux. If someone can p

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I believe that vmware mmaps a region of memory and then somehow syncs > > it to disk. (It is certainly doing something like it here). > > Theory: VMWare mmaps a region of memory corresponding to the virtual > ma

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Brian Somers
> On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 04:58:17AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > >=20 > > Looks like some way of clustering this might achieve a lot. > >=20 > > what does systat -vmstat or vmstat 1 > > show? > > Better still, I guess we could do a linux-truss > > and see what it's doing... > > I believe that

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread David Malone
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:47:59PM +, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > what does systat -vmstat or vmstat 1 > > show? > > Better still, I guess we could do a linux-truss > > and see what it's doing... > > I believe that it's strace under linux. If someone can provide me > with a binary of this to

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 04:58:17AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Looks like some way of clustering this might achieve a lot. > > what does systat -vmstat or vmstat 1 > show? > Better still, I guess we could do a linux-truss > and see what it's doing... I believe that it's strace under linux

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I believe that vmware mmaps a region of memory and then somehow syncs > it to disk. (It is certainly doing something like it here). Theory: VMWare mmaps a region of memory corresponding to the virtual machine's "physical" RAM, then touches every page

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Julian Elischer
Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 04:08:12AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > > > > 714 root -14 0 123M 79192K inode0:45 25.29% 25.29% vmware > > > > > > When this happens the whole machine freezes also. Processes run, but > > > new

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 04:08:12AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > > 714 root -14 0 123M 79192K inode0:45 25.29% 25.29% vmware > > > > When this happens the whole machine freezes also. Processes run, but > > new processes don't get forked. The whole

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Julian Elischer
Josef Karthauser wrote: > > The slowdown during start up appears to be in biowr; this is probably > because of IDE write caching being switched off. More seriously > the vmware hangs during various phases of it's boot process. Write caching is incompaible with soft updates. The drive must NEVER

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-08 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 10:07:06PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > > On 7 Feb 2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > > > for three days (probably about 36 hours excluding suspends)

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Robert Watson
On 7 Feb 2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > > for three days (probably about 36 hours excluding suspends) on a > > 366MHz laptop with a ATA33 disk. > > Would it be possible for so

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:56:14PM +, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:26:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-c

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:56:14PM +, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:26:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > > > for three days (probably about 36 ho

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:26:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > > for three days (probably about 36 hours excluding suspends) on a > > 366MHz laptop with a ATA33 disk. > > Wo

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:26:15PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > > for three days (probably about 36 hours excluding suspends) on a > > 366MHz laptop with a ATA33 disk. > > Wo

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-07 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Brian Somers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Indeed. I've been doing a ``make build'' on an OpenBSD-current vm > for three days (probably about 36 hours excluding suspends) on a > 366MHz laptop with a ATA33 disk. Would it be possible for someone experiencing this slowdown to try to narrow down t

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-06 Thread Brian Somers
> Bruce Evans wrote: > > > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > > > I'm wondering what's changed recently to cause vmware2 running on > > > the linuxemu to lose a lot of performance with disk I/O. > > > > Use of cmpxchg and possibly other SMP pessimizations. > > > > > A couple o

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-06 Thread Julian Elischer
Bruce Evans wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > I'm wondering what's changed recently to cause vmware2 running on > > the linuxemu to lose a lot of performance with disk I/O. > > Use of cmpxchg and possibly other SMP pessimizations. > > > A couple of weeks ago I could

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-06 Thread Julian Elischer
Josef Karthauser wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm wondering what's changed recently to cause vmware2 running on > the linuxemu to lose a lot of performance with disk I/O. > > A couple of weeks ago I could boot win2000 under vmware2 in a matter > of minutes; on today's kernel it takes 5 or 10 minutes to

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-06 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 02:40:27AM +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > > Could someone please hit me with a clue-bat :) > > Read your freebsd-emulation mail :-). /me wanders off to subscribe to freebsd-emulation. Thanks Bruce. Joe PGP signature

Re: What's changed recently with vmware/linuxemu/file I/O

2001-02-06 Thread Bruce Evans
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: > I'm wondering what's changed recently to cause vmware2 running on > the linuxemu to lose a lot of performance with disk I/O. Use of cmpxchg and possibly other SMP pessimizations. > A couple of weeks ago I could boot win2000 under vmware2 in a matter