Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread Bruce Cran
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 11:33 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > That is mostly true. There are some SCSI BIOSes that would examine the MBR > and infer what C/H/S geometry the OS was expecting from the MBR. The > original dedicated disk dummy MBR triggered a divide by zero in one of these > BIOS ROMs.

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:15:09 am James R. Van Artsdalen wrote: > On 2/22/2011 2:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > When that does come, it will probably be driven by BIOS and hardware > > vendors dropping support for MBR. > > MBR is not a BIOS concept. MBR is an OS thing. The BIOS does no

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-23 Thread James R. Van Artsdalen
On 2/22/2011 2:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > When that does come, it will probably be driven by BIOS and hardware > vendors dropping support for MBR. MBR is not a BIOS concept. MBR is an OS thing. The BIOS does not care or know what kind of partitioning you use, or if you partition at all. A GPT

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > >> On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > >>> That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >>> On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > That's th

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> >>> On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when that >>

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: >>> That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when that >>> changes to "requires" (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD k

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: >> That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when that >> changes to "requires" (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD kernel >> becomes legacy-free with respect to supporting fdis

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: >That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when that >changes to "requires" (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD kernel >becomes legacy-free with respect to supporting fdisk/disklabel >partitioned disks). When that does come, it wi

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/22/11 11:14, John Baldwin wrote: On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:26:33 am Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:26:33 am Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: > >> Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll > >> just note a few things I'd like to see in any such repl

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/22/11 06:45, John Baldwin wrote: On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll just note a few things I'd like to see in any such replacement... 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot. Hands

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread John Baldwin
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 4:34:11 am grarpamp wrote: > Sysinstall is fine, as I'm sure any replacement will be. So I'll > just note a few things I'd like to see in any such replacement... > > 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot. Hands > on the box were needed with tha

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Monday, February 21, 2011 08:38:03 pm Devin Teske wrote: > >> >> Really, the crux of the issue is that our organization is **just now** >> migrating off of FreeBSD-4 (yes, it's true... there are over 1,000 >> FreeBSD-4.11 machines running i

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 01:03 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > I suppose my last question is along the lines of, "If adding geom_mirror > support to sysinstall was easy, why has it been 6+ years since gmirror made > it's appearance in FreeBSD and you still can't create or install to a gmirror > with

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Monday, February 21, 2011 08:38:03 pm Devin Teske wrote: > > Really, the crux of the issue is that our organization is **just now** > migrating off of FreeBSD-4 (yes, it's true... there are over 1,000 > FreeBSD-4.11 machines running in production at this very moment spanning > the entire Unite

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Saturday, February 19, 2011 02:44:42 am Bruce Cran wrote: >> On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: >>> There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although >>> it remains possible to drum-up some selfish r

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:12 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > pc-sysinstall has been used as the PC-BSD installer for quite a while now, > and > has done a lot of installs on a lot of different hardware platforms. I'll > wager that the compatibility of the shell command gpart is a better bet than

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Bruce Cran
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:12 -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > pc-sysinstall has been used as the PC-BSD installer for quite a while now, > and > has done a lot of installs on a lot of different hardware platforms. I'll > wager that the compatibility of the shell command gpart is a better bet than

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-21 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Saturday, February 19, 2011 02:44:42 am Bruce Cran wrote: > On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: > > There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although > > it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons > > behind our motivation ar

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 19/02/2011, at 20:04, grarpamp wrote: > 1 - I used install.cfg's on floppies to clone systems, a lot. Hands > on the box were needed with that. Operators skills were in question, > so having them use the dialog menus properly was a pain and often > resulted in non-zeroed disk or half built syst

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On Saturday 19 February 2011 03:04:39 Devin Teske wrote: > There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it > remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind > our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the > replacement of

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 02/18/11 22:11, Shawn Webb wrote: There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the replacement of sysinstall but am very wary

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Shawn Webb
> There are many reasons for this, and none of them are selfish (although it > remains possible to drum-up some selfish reason, all of the reasons behind > our motivation are in-fact unselfish). Truth-be-told, I welcome the > replacement of sysinstall but am very wary that ANY replacement will be a

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Devin Teske
On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > On 01/18/11 11:38, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> This plan ensures that we have a minimum of three months of testing of the >> new installer on snapshot media before the 9.0 release, which should ensure >> a minimum of bugs. I would also like

Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap

2011-02-18 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 01/18/11 11:38, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: This plan ensures that we have a minimum of three months of testing of the new installer on snapshot media before the 9.0 release, which should ensure a minimum of bugs. I would also like to point out that there are no roads in this map that end up wit