Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-12-04 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
2012/12/4 Warner Losh > [ replying to an old thread, sorry ] > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > > > Hello, Alexander. > > You wrote 4 ноября 2012 г., 2:12:03: > > > > AY> Quick glance to nanobsd give me impression that: > > AY> 1) nanobsd is MBR based, so : > > AY> 2) nanobs

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-12-04 Thread Warner Losh
[ replying to an old thread, sorry ] On Nov 3, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > Hello, Alexander. > You wrote 4 ноября 2012 г., 2:12:03: > > AY> Quick glance to nanobsd give me impression that: > AY> 1) nanobsd is MBR based, so : > AY> 2) nanobsd is disk-name-change sensitive. > Here

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Alexander. You wrote 4 ноября 2012 г., 2:12:03: AY> Quick glance to nanobsd give me impression that: AY> 1) nanobsd is MBR based, so : AY> 2) nanobsd is disk-name-change sensitive. Here are patches to support GPT AY> GPT way is better - I'm using r${REV} as label, and root can be mounted

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
Quick glance to nanobsd give me impression that: 1) nanobsd is MBR based, so : 2) nanobsd is disk-name-change sensitive. GPT way is better - I'm using r${REV} as label, and root can be mounted no matter how many other "firmware's" present, or how disks are ordered. BTW, due to bug 173309 I had to

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: ... Of course, that's all IMHO and fit for my usage: > ... > 2) .vmdk simply deployed into Esxi/virtualbox (not sure nanobsd can produce > that) > There's no reason why nanobsd couldn't (or shouldn't) do that. It's something that I th

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
2012/11/3 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > >> Actually in my case, base system image r24243.vmdk, have exactly two >> partitions (gpt's freebsd-boot, and roots = freebsd-ufs), and second one is >> used only in read-only :) >> >> For virtual m

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > Actually in my case, base system image r24243.vmdk, have exactly two > partitions (gpt's freebsd-boot, and roots = freebsd-ufs), and second one is > used only in read-only :) > > For virtual machines approach, base image can be even ISO,

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
Actually in my case, base system image r24243.vmdk, have exactly two partitions (gpt's freebsd-boot, and roots = freebsd-ufs), and second one is used only in read-only :) For virtual machines approach, base image can be even ISO, which will be implied RO for system, and upgrade is just switch ISO.

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 08:01 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > I do not know exact data transmission rate of SDHC cards , but , I > > think , > > it is faster than CD or DVD . For CD and DVD , at present there is NO > > any > > only READ CD

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 08:01 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > I do not know exact data transmission rate of SDHC cards , but , I > > think , > > it is faster than CD or DVD . For CD and DVD , at present there is NO > > any > > only READ CD

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Ian Lepore
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 08:01 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > I do not know exact data transmission rate of SDHC cards , but , I > think , > it is faster than CD or DVD . For CD and DVD , at present there is NO > any > only READ CD or DVD devices . They are disappeared from the market . > For >

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > 2012/11/3 Lev Serebryakov > > > Hello, Alexander. > > You wrote 3 ноября 2012 г., 16:14:21: > > > > AY> Hello all! > > AY> Some time ago I got somewhere idea, that base OS should be RO - > > readonly. > > AY> And should be updated easily

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
2012/11/3 Lev Serebryakov > Hello, Alexander. > You wrote 3 ноября 2012 г., 16:14:21: > > AY> Hello all! > AY> Some time ago I got somewhere idea, that base OS should be RO - > readonly. > AY> And should be updated easily (ACID) and with possibility of fast > rollback. > Why it is better than na

Re: FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Alexander. You wrote 3 ноября 2012 г., 16:14:21: AY> Hello all! AY> Some time ago I got somewhere idea, that base OS should be RO - readonly. AY> And should be updated easily (ACID) and with possibility of fast rollback. Why it is better than nanobsd? -- // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov

FreeBSD as read-only firmware

2012-11-03 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
Hello all! Some time ago I got somewhere idea, that base OS should be RO - readonly. And should be updated easily (ACID) and with possibility of fast rollback. So, basically ideas was to have some RO root, with unionfs with other dirs. But then all machines was real (not virtualised), and predict