On 10/7/11, Ed Schouten wrote:
> Well, apart from small bugs here and there, it should be pretty
> conformant already, especially when compared to various graphical
> terminal emulators (e.g. GNOME terminal). For example, it passes quite a
> large number of tests from vttest.
I've never gotten ar
* Greg Miller , 20111008 22:47:
> I've never gotten around to reporting this until this thread came up,
> but I've found that GNU Emacs has tons of problems with text
> disappearing on the console. Just moving the cursor to the start of a
> long line and holding down the right-arrow key is enough t
Ed:
The patch is an improvement. Not assuming that tabs blank the underlying
cells is definitely a help. But it does not fix all of the artifacts.
It might be a good idea to review the "xterm" termcap entry, capability
by capability, to make sure that syscons conforms to each one. As the
author
At 05:02 AM 10/7/2011, Ed Schouten wrote:
>It should be xterm, since syscons now uses an xterm-style terminal
>emulator.
Interesting. Apparently, the xterm termcap does not work properly for it.
>I have never used jove before, so what should I do to
>reproduce this?
Have you ever used EMACS?
Hi Brett,
* Brett Glass , 20111007 15:40:
> The patch is an improvement. Not assuming that tabs blank the underlying
> cells is definitely a help. But it does not fix all of the artifacts.
Just let me know what's broken specifically. So what keys to press when
I start jove to reproduce it. I'm re
Hi Brett,
* Brett Glass , 20111007 15:18:
> Among other things, you'll see portions of lines vanish from the
> screen while you're editing, until you hit ^L (the EMACS command to
> refresh the screen) a couple of times.
Yeah, that should be fixed now. I just ran `jove /etc/ttys', moved the
cursor
* Ed Schouten , 20111007 13:02:
> It should be xterm, since syscons now uses an xterm-style terminal
> emulator. I have never used jove before, so what should I do to
> reproduce this?
After some tinkering, I think I know why it breaks. I thought that
when xterm processes a tab, it blanks the unde
* Brett Glass , 20110926 02:52:
> 1) The jove editor worked strangely because, in /etc/ttys, the
> terminal type was set to "xterm" instead of "cons25" by default. (I
> do not run a GUI on servers, so of course there will not be an
> xterm.) As a result, parts of lines kept vanishing from under my
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:46 PM, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 07:48:23PM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>> My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take
>> 'makeoptions DEBUG=-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one
>> noticed until a couple of r
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 07:48:23PM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> My recollection is that this is because kensmith forgot to take
> 'makeoptions DEBUG=-g' out of GENERIC when branching stable/8, and no one
> noticed until a couple of releases in, at which point it seemed consistent
> with POLA t
Hi,
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On 2011-Sep-26 19:48:23 -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>>On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>>> The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel,
>>> since at least 8.x, is installed by default with a vast majority
On 09/27/2011 14:24, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> On 2011-Sep-26 21:29:18 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>> MBR allows 4 slices (which Windows and most of the world call
>> partitions). Windows also
>> allows the creation of "Extended Partitions, but FreeBSD does not
>> support these. They result
>> in devi
On 2011-Sep-26 21:29:18 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>MBR allows 4 slices (which Windows and most of the world call
>partitions). Windows also
>allows the creation of "Extended Partitions, but FreeBSD does not
>support these. They result
>in device named with an 's' for slice. E.g. "da0s1".
To be
On 2011-Sep-26 19:48:23 -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>> The problem with /boot on a dedicated partition is the the kernel,
>> since at least 8.x, is installed by default with a vast majority of
>> crap. That's all the .symbols, that 99% of FreeBSD users
Holger Kipp writes:
> Am 27.09.2011 um 10:48 schrieb Thomas Mueller:
>
>>> From Brett Glass :
>>
>>> Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
>>> contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
>>> and more volatile data such as users' home directories.
Am 27.09.2011 um 10:48 schrieb Thomas Mueller:
>> From Brett Glass :
>
>> Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
>> contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
>> and more volatile data such as users' home directories. This
>> prevents /usr/local/
>From Brett Glass :
> Unfortunately, due to past history, /usr is mixed-use. It normally
> contains both configuration information -- e.g. /usr/local/etc --
> and more volatile data such as users' home directories. This
> prevents /usr/local/etc, which also contains mission-critical
> configuratio
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> .. I'm allowed to make mistakes you know. The point was, 7+1
> partitions isn't a lot. :)
Just in case someone new is reading this and getting confused. I
believe those taking part
mostly understand this as well as or better than I do.
MBR a
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Gary Palmer wrote:
BSD disklabel is limited to a maximum of 8 slices per MBR partition.
Careful. disklabel/bsdlabel creates FreeBSD "partitions", up to 8 per
MBR partition (FreeBSD "slice").
Instead of three different things that share two names, GPT only has
partitio
.. I'm allowed to make mistakes you know. The point was, 7+1
partitions isn't a lot. :)
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 09:11:12PM -0400, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > .. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
> > to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
> >
> > If people would like
At 04:38 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
There was also general sentiment that the rise of ZFS would allow
just this sort of fine-grained partitioning, which is a huge
advantage of its ability to create datasets on the fly. This
perception that ZFS is most of the future probably contribut
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>>> [...]
>> Then why don't you provide symbols for the whole system, including
>> binaries and libraries ? At least be consistent in your argument...
>>
>> And, yes, I have patches for that.
>
I just filed a bunch of PRs to make sure these comments don't get (too)
lost: 16104{6,7,8,9} and 161050.
-Ben Kaduk
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
The storage world is not limited to spinning hardware. Take a 512MB
CF, put it in a soekris box, and you got an embedded system capable of
doing a whole bunch of stuff.
Now, FreeBSD may no longer want to target such "niche" usage.
Sure we do!
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
My personal preference would be to place portions
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> .. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
> to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
>
> If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
> supply patches to bsdinstal
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
>>>
>>> My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree
>>> which contain critical configuration info
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> .. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
> to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
>
> If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
> supply patches to bsdinstall to
.. I do FreeBSD installs on 1GB flash disks. You know, so I don't have
to nuke the windows install. Just so I can test out things. :)
If people would like to see a more detailed partition editor, please
supply patches to bsdinstall to do so. :-)
I'd love to have multiple options - "use all for one
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
My personal preference would be to place portions of the directory tree
which contain critical configuration information and are not written in
normal use -- e.g. /etc and /boot --
The proble
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/26/2011 15:38, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
This perception that ZFS is most of the future probably contributed to
the lack of strong opinions regarding the default UFS partition scheme.
Can we please stop saying that there were no contrary opinions stat
On 09/26/2011 15:38, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> This perception that ZFS is most of the future probably contributed to
> the lack of strong opinions regarding the default UFS partition scheme.
Can we please stop saying that there were no contrary opinions stated? I
personally expressed a preference (
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Brett Glass wrote:
At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
I can't speak to the "one-big-fs" bit (there was another thread long ago
about
that). However, as to the partitioning bit, bsdinstall is defaulting to
using
The q
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
>> [...]
>> 2) I saw many warnings of lock order reversals under the GENERIC kernel, in
>> particular in the file system code. These obviously should be fixed before
>> release.
>>
> Where did you report them ? [btw, they might already b
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> I can't speak to the "one-big-fs" bit (there was another thread long ago
>>> about
>>> that). However, as to the partitioning bit, bsdinstal
At 12:03 PM 9/26/2011, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
I can't speak to the "one-big-fs" bit (there was another thread
long ago about
that). However, as to the partitioning bit, bsdinstall is
defaulting to using
The question of how to layout and split filesys
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
The question of how to layout and split filesystems was discussed at the
filesystems working group of the devsummit at BSDCan this may.
(http://wiki.freebsd.org/201105DevSummit/FileSystems d
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
>>>
>>> First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
>>> a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning was
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I agree, the lack of a virtual/emergency terminal seems a bit silly.
I'm not sure about the cons25 versus xterm stuff - you're not the
first person to report this. Guys/girls/other (Hi SF!) - why is this?
:)
It shouldn't be that hard to submit a patch t
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011, John Baldwin wrote:
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning was odd. It
abandoned standard UNIX parlance, calling what are traditionally
ca
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:52:37 pm Brett Glass wrote:
> First thing I noticed, when running the new FreeBSD installer from
> a memory stick image, is that disk partitioning was odd. It
> abandoned standard UNIX parlance, calling what are traditionally
> called "slices" partitions. It also
I agree, the lack of a virtual/emergency terminal seems a bit silly.
I'm not sure about the cons25 versus xterm stuff - you're not the
first person to report this. Guys/girls/other (Hi SF!) - why is this?
:)
It shouldn't be that hard to submit a patch to enable those extra vtys?
Adrian
Hi,
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
> Next thing I did was try to recompile the kernel to streamline it and add
> features I want compiled in, such as ipfw and dummynet. Alas, I saw no sign
> of the BSD-licensed Clang compiler, for which I've waited for many years (I
> can't b
All:
Just spent an afternoon and evening experimenting with FreeBSD
9.0-BETA2. Overall reaction: so far, it's been pretty stable and
responsive, but I'm concerned that it may have substantially
increased memory and CPU requirements relative to previous
versions. The new installer, while it's
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