llvm19 lld issue

2024-11-14 Thread Michal Meloun
ection is appropriate for them ? .rodata? Thanks, Michal

Re: Official armv7 PkgBase kernel-NODEBUG installation's USB2 boot gets "Fatal kernel mode data abort: 'Alignment Fault' on write" very early, at least on an OrangePi+ 2ed

2024-11-08 Thread Michal Meloun
ssion triggers bug in the kernel (which should be fixed in D47485). Second, regarding "panic: acquiring blockable sleep lock" is due to an bug in lld. It mis-links the ".ARM.exidx" section on the output binary, which is used by the stack unwinder in the kernel. I don't have a fix for this for now, so you have to use the linker from llvm18 as a workaround. I'm not sure if I have enough free cycles to manage both issues on the llvm side... Michal

Re: armv7-on-aarch64 stuck at urdlck

2024-07-23 Thread Michal Meloun
On 23.07.2024 11:36, Konstantin Belousov wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 09:53:41AM +0200, Michal Meloun wrote: The good news is that I'm finally able to generate a working/locking test case. The culprit (at least for me) is if "-mcpu" is used when compiling libthr (e.g. indi

Re: CURRENT, usr/src on git, howto "mergemaster"?

2021-01-04 Thread Michal Meloun
ially documented and recommend as only right method in FreeBSD handbook. See https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html. World is moving, we may have new tools but each deprecation should be, in this order: 1) well announced 2) adjusted in the handbook 3) implemeted M

Re: Problem compiling git from ports

2021-01-02 Thread Michal Meloun
iidoctor-2.0.10 # /usr/local/bin/asciidoctor Usage: asciidoctor [OPTION]... FILE... Michal ... ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: buildworld fails ( stopped in /usr/src/lib/libsysdecode )

2020-11-30 Thread Michal Meloun
h build but it errors out with the following message. This is a known issue and will be fixed. --HPS Thank you for the conformation. And thank you all for your work on FreeBSD. regards Johan Fixed in r368187. Sorry for troubles. Michal ___ freebsd

Re: panic: non-current pmap 0xffffa00020eab8f0 on Rpi3

2020-10-23 Thread Michal Meloun
On 19.10.2020 22:39, Mark Johnston wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:53:56AM +0200, Michal Meloun wrote: >> >> >> On 06.10.2020 15:37, Mark Johnston wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 07:10:29PM -0700, bob prohaska wrote: >>>> Still seeing non-cur

Re: panic: non-current pmap 0xffffa00020eab8f0 on Rpi3

2020-10-16 Thread Michal Meloun
The backtrace reports >> >> panic: non-current pmap 0xa00020eab8f0 > > Could you show the output of "show procvm" from the debugger? I see same panic too, in my case its very rare - typical scenario is rebuild of kf5 ports (~250, 2 days of full load). Any idea ho

Re: OverDrive 1000 head -r360311 -> r363021 upgrade: USB & Ethernet disappeared, "usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass" (Now: artifact.ci bisect)

2020-07-12 Thread Michal Meloun
eone checks sysutils/u-boot-rpi4 operation and finds > that it works, then I expect that such a patch as above is > all that is required. > > Note: If future bcmD's need similar code, care will > need to be taken naming in DRIVER_MODULE(,... > for them so that un

Re: r351589 ses no longer attaches

2019-11-20 Thread Michal Vančo
s1,ada1 in 'Slot 01', SATA Slot: scbus1 target 0 ses0: pass2,ada2 in 'Slot 02', SATA Slot: scbus2 target 0 ses0: pass3,ada3 in 'Slot 03', SATA Slot: scbus3 target 0 ses0: pass4,ada4 in 'Slot 04', SATA Slot: scbus4 target 0 ses0: pass5,ada5 in 'Slot 05',

r351589 ses no longer attaches

2019-11-20 Thread Michal Vančo
merged into 12-STABLE? I tried manually patching 12-STABLE src tree and after rebuilding the kernel SES started to work as expected. I don’t want to run CURRENT just for this simple fix. regards Michal ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https

Re: A reliable port cross-build failure (hangup) in my context (amd64->armv7 cross build, with native-tool speedup involved)

2019-01-03 Thread Michal Meloun
On 29.12.2018 18:47, Dennis Clarke wrote: > On 12/28/18 9:56 PM, Mark Millard via freebsd-arm wrote: >> >> On 2018-Dec-28, at 12:12, Mark Millard wrote: >> >>> On 2018-Dec-28, at 05:13, Michal Meloun >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>

Re: A reliable port cross-build failure (hangup) in my context (amd64->armv7 cross build, with native-tool speedup involved)

2018-12-28 Thread Michal Meloun
> Building anything that requires multimedia/gstreamer1-qt@qt5 seems to be >>> solidly blocked in my environment. > > > I built a FreeBSD head -r340288 context and tried cross-buiding an > amd64->armv7 ports head -r484783 of my usual ports and the problem >

Re: A reliable port cross-build failure (hangup) in my context (amd64->armv7 cross build, with native-tool speedup involved)

2018-12-28 Thread Michal Meloun
> Building anything that requires multimedia/gstreamer1-qt@qt5 seems to be >>> solidly blocked in my environment. > > > I built a FreeBSD head -r340288 context and tried cross-buiding an > amd64->armv7 ports head -r484783 of my usual ports and the problem >

Re: ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: Undefined symbol "environ" (RPI/arm64)

2018-12-28 Thread Michal Meloun
>readelf -s mplayer | grep environ 26: 0050 8 OBJECT LOCAL DEFAULT 24 environ Of course, local symbols are visible only within originating object, these are invisible for other objects. I have no idea why mplayer authors uses this script, mainly why version script is used

Re: rm cannot recursively delete directory on tmpfs on RPi2

2018-12-07 Thread Michal Meloun
On 07.12.2018 10:59, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On 12/7/18, Michal Meloun wrote: >> >> >> On 07.12.2018 7:25, Mateusz Guzik wrote: >>> On 12/7/18, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: >>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:36 AM Alan Somers wrote: >>>> >>&

Re: rm cannot recursively delete directory on tmpfs on RPi2

2018-12-07 Thread Michal Meloun
On 07.12.2018 10:59, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On 12/7/18, Michal Meloun wrote: >> >> >> On 07.12.2018 7:25, Mateusz Guzik wrote: >>> On 12/7/18, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: >>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:36 AM Alan Somers wrote: >>>> >>&

Re: rm cannot recursively delete directory on tmpfs on RPi2

2018-12-07 Thread Michal Meloun
On 07.12.2018 7:25, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On 12/7/18, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:36 AM Alan Somers wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:18 PM Jia-Shiun Li wrote: amd64 and RPi3 do not have this issue. jsli@rpi2:/home/jsli 13:04 # uname -a Fre

buildkernel ULE related breakage

2016-02-18 Thread Michal Suszko
ror code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Michal ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: vt(4) sysctl inconsistency question

2015-02-06 Thread Michal Varga
On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 14:23 +0200, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:56:57 +0100 > Michal Varga wrote: >> [...] > > Interestingly, two cases in particular (excluding SPSC which isn't > > implemented yet) were left out of this configuration, namely the

vt(4) sysctl inconsistency question

2015-02-04 Thread Michal Varga
use of those keys completely non-optional. If anyone could tell me, what was the reason for not including sysctls for those two modes? m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/lis

Re: no X after installing xorg + xfce

2011-09-20 Thread Michal Varga
ed nvidia-driver, as specified in FreeBSD howto > (handbook page). changed 'nv' to 'nvidia', added nvidia_enable="YES" > to /etc/rc.conf and now X works. I am loading more software that is That's good to hear. Congratulations. m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: no X after installing xorg + xfce

2011-09-20 Thread Michal Varga
7;t supply the information as I would like to :( I can 100% guarantee that BETA3 nor RC won't change anything in regard to the issue you're experiencing. Your problem lies elsewhere and you didn't even start systematically investigating it. m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmai

Re: How does one install kernel sources and base

2011-09-19 Thread Michal Varga
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 19:22 -0500, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Michal, > > Thank you very much for your detailed instruction. I was able to get > all of the sources and built nvidia driver successfully :) > > However, when I run kldload nvidia, I get a mismatch with the runni

Re: How does one install kernel sources and base

2011-09-18 Thread Michal Varga
tions regarding general FreeBSD installation and maintenance: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/cvsup.html m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd

Re: Well, there goes Windows!

2011-08-18 Thread Michal Varga
ny case). Just as a quick reminder for anyone who might not know (as this happens regularly) - sysutils/testdisk should be able to recover those cleared partitions pretty easily and put them back in place. m. -- Michal Varga, Stonehenge (Gmail account) _

Re: jumbograms (& em) & nfs a no go

2003-11-02 Thread Michal Mertl
t's UDP, and you insist on it working, you might want to > make sure that the packet goes through the UDP fragmentation > and NFS rsize/wsize limitation code. > I noticed in src/sys/dev/em/README that there are problems with jumbograms and UDP so I use TCP. -- Michal Mer

Flash card reader error

2003-10-31 Thread Michal
da2: (umass-sim0:0:0:0) lost device GEOM: destroy disk da2 dp = 0x7241850 GEOM: removing device entry Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Sticky mouse with SCHED_ULE 10-30-03

2003-10-31 Thread Michal
. Switched back to SCHED_4BSD and mouse is better than ever. No problems at all when loading programs or compiling. To me subjective feeling mouse respomds worse than month ago with SCHED_ULE and much better with SCHED_4BSD than before. Michal ___ [EMAIL

Digital Camera not working after 10-30-03

2003-10-31 Thread Michal
. Neither is working now. Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: jumbograms (& em) & nfs a no go

2003-10-31 Thread Michal Mertl
sover cable, I could not get the > adapters to go to 1000, only 100. That might have been the cable, > or not. I can confirm it works equally well with crossover as with straight cable. -- Michal Mertl ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://li

Re: jumbograms (& em) & nfs a no go

2003-10-31 Thread Michal Mertl
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > Michal Mertl writes: > | On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Sam Leffler wrote: > | > | > On Thursday 30 October 2003 04:46 am, Michal Mertl wrote: > | > > I wanted to test gigabit network performance and found out that current > | > >

Re: jumbograms (& em) & nfs a no go

2003-10-30 Thread Michal Mertl
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Sam Leffler wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 04:46 am, Michal Mertl wrote: > > I wanted to test gigabit network performance and found out that current > > (from 5.0 to up to date -current) doesn't fully work with jumbograms (MTU > > set to 600

jumbograms (& em) & nfs a no go

2003-10-30 Thread Michal Mertl
e I later see 'nfs server 10.0.0.2:/usr: not responding'. The interface is stuck for some time - can be revived by changing mtu back to 1500 and down/up sequence. -- Michal Mertl ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

success (Re: USB problem: /dev/ugen* dynamically auto-reconfigures to root:operator 644, so non-root user unable to access USB devices even if wanted)

2003-10-22 Thread Michal
I found easy way to ugen problem: in /etc/devfs.rules I added [local_ruleset=10] add path 'ugen*' mode 664 then in /etc/rc.conf devfs_system_ruleset="local_ruleset" And this is it. Now user can acces camera (PowerShots50) with gtkam. The resolution was given by (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail

Re: samba 3 on CURRENT and net.inet.tcp.blackhole

2003-10-15 Thread Michal
directly I will have to wait 90 secs for the connection. So as Don Levis suggested I should wait a little longer. Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[

Re: samba 3 on CURRENT and net.inet.tcp.blackhole

2003-10-14 Thread Michal
is for (and I would like to continue to use it). And this is why I do not understand what is wrong. I have run smbd -D -d10 and checked log.smbd but I could not find anything informative. Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.fre

samba 3 on CURRENT and net.inet.tcp.blackhole

2003-10-14 Thread Michal
help Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: bktr(4) bufs plus patch

2003-09-04 Thread Michal Mertl
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Jens Rehsack wrote: > Michal Mertl wrote: > > I found 2 bugs and some potential problems in bktr(4) code. > > > > Bug 1: > > Compilation with options BKTR_USE_FREEBSD_SMBUS failes. Error is > > that code tries to use iicbus which isn't defi

buildkernel ULE related breakage

2003-07-07 Thread Michal Suszko
ror code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Michal ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: Twin CPU machine running with only one cpu?

2003-06-10 Thread Michal Mertl
should be able to see an idle kthread with 'top -S' eating 100% of CPU 1. You can toggle HTT on/off at any time with 'sysctl machdep.hlt_logical_cpus=0|1'. I think that when hlt_logical_cpus == 1 system shouldn't account for logical CPUs' idle time because

Re: potential for foot-shooting with KLD's

2003-03-04 Thread Michal Mertl
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2003-03-02 17:34, Michal Mertl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > : Imagine you decided to go with modular kernel. You comment out 'device > : random' in your kernel-config and place 'random_load="YES"'

Re: potential for foot-shooting with KLD's

2003-03-03 Thread Michal Mertl
> How about `unset XX_load' ? It works only for acpi. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

potential for foot-shooting with KLD's

2003-03-02 Thread Michal Mertl
quot;' work. The other fix (probably more difficult to do) would be to make all modules loading/linking fail when they're statically compiled in. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

bktr(4) bufs plus patch

2002-12-08 Thread Michal Mertl
tr(4) unit limited to 0-15" + fi mknod bktr$unit c 92 `unit2minor $unit` mknod tuner$unit c 92 `unit2minor $((16 + $unit))` mknod vbi$unit c 92 `unit2minor $((32 + $unit))` -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** dev/bktr/bktr_reg.h.ori Sun Dec 8 10:40

Re: ACPI + Compaq Armada m700

2002-12-04 Thread Michal Mertl
ed=1 to /boot/loader.conf[.local]. I also have hint.atkbd.0.flags="0x3" in there which helps with using my m700 with the docking station BTW. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: system locks with vnode backed md(4)

2002-11-30 Thread Michal Mertl
his general VFS problem, so details there > would be very useful. May be the attached one will allow someone to track something down. PS: Sorry if you have problems with attachment, I myself find them difficult to read (I'm receivind digest of this list - isn't there a possibility to hav

Re: system locks with vnode backed md(4)

2002-11-30 Thread Michal Mertl
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Michal Mertl wrote: Including rwatson because of the thread on hackers@. Sorry for follow-up to myself. > Recently there was a discussion about jails on some freebsd list. Someone > recommended vnconfig(8)ed file-backed disk for jail file systems. Terry > wrote

unkillable process - 'mdconfig -t vnode' on small file

2002-11-30 Thread Michal Mertl
Subject says it all. I wanted to make vnode-backed md(4) and forgot to specify size, thas it after 'touch mdfile;mdconfig -a -t vnode -f mdfile' mdconfig process can't be killed. It's wchan ('ps axO wchan|grep mdconf') is mddest. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

system locks with vnode backed md(4)

2002-11-30 Thread Michal Mertl
e 0 c0394720 c04ff0000 0 0 0000200 norm[SLPQ sched c0394720][SLP] swapper -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

WITNESS complaints

2002-11-19 Thread Michal Mertl
ed but I suppose it's going to be general problem - I've seen it mentioned (at least the pcm one) several times. Thanks. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: crash with network load (in tcp syncache ?)

2002-11-02 Thread Michal Mertl
mber allowed on each CPU list: 128 Maximum possible: 17280 1% of cluster map consumed 516 KBytes of wired memory reserved (37% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: crash with network load (in tcp syncache ?)

2002-11-02 Thread Michal Mertl
RT_TAIL(&head->so_comp, so, so_list); > so->so_state |= SS_COMP; > This patch fixes the panics for me. Thanks a lot. I believe it should be commited. BTW: I get about 850 fetches pers second on UP an 600 SMP (the same machine and settings). Don't know if it's ex

crash with network load (in tcp syncache ?)

2002-11-01 Thread Michal Mertl
/ip_input.c:916 #17 0xc0235234 in ipintr () at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:934 #18 0xc02295f3 in swi_net (dummy=0x0) at /usr/src/sys/net/netisr.c:97 #19 0xc01a8dc4 in ithread_loop (arg=0xc162b400) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_intr.c:535 #20 0xc01a7c54 in fork_exit (callout=0xc01a8bf0 , arg=0x0,

Re: bug in sysv semaphores on -CURRENT

2002-09-06 Thread Michal Mertl
On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Alfred (thanks) found a bug in my code. Sorry for the fuss folks :-(. > * Michal Mertl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020906 06:10] wrote: > > There seems to be bug in $SUBJ. When I run attached program on recent > > -CURRENT, it always (

bug in sysv semaphores on -CURRENT

2002-09-06 Thread Michal Mertl
rogram for a minute? -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define MY_SHM_MAGIC 0x56d9f13b typedef struct { struct shmid_ds shm_ds; struct semid_ds sem_ds;

Re: VLock and 5.0 DP1

2002-05-14 Thread Michal Mertl
ke sure it's owned by root and has suid bit set (or always run it as root). This easily may be security hole if there's bug in the program. HTH -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

panics with CardBus

2002-03-11 Thread Michal Mertl
#x27;\002', slot = 0 '\000', func = 0 '\000', pp_cap = 65041, pp_status = 224 'ŕ', pp_pmcsr = 226 'â', pp_data = 0 '\000'}, conf = {pc_sel = { pc_bus = 2 '\002', pc_dev = 0 '\000', pc_func = 0 '\000'}, pc_hdr = 0 '\000', pc_subvendor = 4445, pc_subdevice = 4481, pc_vendor = 4445, pc_device = 3, pc_class = 2 '\002', pc_subclass = 0 '\000', pc_progif = 0 '\000', pc_revid = 3 '\003', pd_name = '\000' , pd_unit = 0}} -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

latest pccard/cardbus megacommit broke on-boot detection

2002-02-19 Thread Michal Mertl
work in progress to make it behave more like OLDCARD ? -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: ntfs and sendfile problem (corrupted data)

2001-12-31 Thread Michal Mertl
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Michal Mertl wrote: Sorry to bloat the list but I forgot to mention that the panics occur when I actually try to read from ntfs partition (after appliing pach from previous email). cd works ok but ls panics the kernel. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe

Re: ntfs and sendfile problem (corrupted data)

2001-12-31 Thread Michal Mertl
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: > Michal Mertl wrote: > > > > I wrote about the issue once before but now I know more about the > > problem. > > > > I have ntfs partition mounted ro on current. I can read from it without > > problems. But I noti

Re: ntfs and sendfile problem (corrupted data)

2001-12-30 Thread Michal Mertl
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:53:08 +0100, Michal Mertl wrote: > > > I have ntfs partition mounted ro on current. I can read from it without > > problems. But I noticed I get corrupted data (the corrupted file has > > right

ntfs and sendfile problem (corrupted data)

2001-12-29 Thread Michal Mertl
retty sure the problem is thus in sendfile(2) and/or ntfs fs support. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

weird NTFS and FTPD performance

2001-12-04 Thread Michal Mertl
but there must be something important in a way ftpd reads files to serve. I can give you all the info you would need. -- Michal Mertl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message