Hi,
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 07:53:19 -0600
Warner Losh wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Erich Dollansky <
> freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:40:48 +0800
> > blubee blubeeme wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Wh
Hi,
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:40:48 +0800
blubee blubeeme wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:28 AM Erich Dollansky <
> freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:01:42 +0800
> > blubee blubeeme wrote:
> >
>
above looking through different projects.
clang defines '__FreeBSD__'
Erich
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Hi,
here we are:
http://sumeritec/FreeBSD/fortune.core
http://sumeritec/FreeBSD/gdb.core
The fortune core is from the same source as the now running system. The
gdb core should be but I am not 100% sure.
Revision: Revision: 337343
Erich
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 08:57:06 -0700
John Baldwin wrote
Hi,
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:59:11 -0700
John Baldwin wrote:
> On 8/6/18 8:11 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:57:53 -0700
> > John Baldwin wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/4/18 4:38 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >>> Bad system call (core dum
Hi,
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 00:09:15 -0400
Allan Jude wrote:
> On 2018-08-06 23:11, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >>> The message is always:
> >>>
> >>> Bad system call (core dumped)
>
> compare the output of: `uname -K` and `uname -U`
>
both outputs
Hi,
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:57:53 -0700
John Baldwin wrote:
> On 8/4/18 4:38 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I compiled me yesterday this system:
> >
> > 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #1 r337285:
> >
> > When restarting fortune core
wd"; if /usr/bin/makeinfo
2>--no-split -I . -o ./m4.info ./m4.texi; then rc=0;
2>CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd .; else rc=$?;
2>CDPATH="${ZSH_VERSION+.}:" && cd . && $restore $backupdir/* `echo
2>"././m4.info" | sed 's
; then everything starts working. FWIW the router led never blinks (no
> data transfers during DHCPDISCOVER). I am not sure how to debug this.
>
when I ran into this problem, I delete the IP address 0.0.0.0, kill
dhclient and start a new dhclient. As we used fixed IP addresses for
em0
Hi,
I compiled me yesterday this system:
12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #1 r337285:
When restarting fortune core dumps. When trying to load the core dump,
gdb core dumps.
The message is always:
Bad system call (core dumped)
Trying to install ports results in the same effect.
Erich
Hi,
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:43:47 +0100
"Meixner, Johannes" wrote:
> You must have never been to Southern Germany or Austria.
and Alaska.
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Hi,
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:08:41 +
Kate Dawson wrote:
> Actually you sound like you come from under a bridge. You know...
> "Trolling"
it just shows your low education level. You could have checked
maps.google.com.
But you did not.
Erich
>
> xxx
>
> On Sun
Hi,
just one word. I am from Kissing. My neighbours are from Fucking. I
bet, the 'CoC' people will discriminate me and my neighbours now.
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ranch prediction tries to counter
> KASLR, which we do not support at all in FreeBSD.
>
> So, I guess, we do not have to bother with disabling of branch
> prediction in FreeBSD for the time being?
>
an attack on KASLR will not work, but any other attack will be get data
from the kerne
you have installed around, incase an upgrade goes bad.
>
> This feature will work on any filesystem supported by the loader.
>
this is a cool feature. Testing will become a lot easier then.
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s
required for the start of the machine, I was left with a system which
could not be used. So, downgrading it, recompile the kernel with the
compatibility option, compile the program and then it should work again
is the way.
Erich
> -- Brooks
>
> - Forwarded message from Brooks Davis
Hi,
I am trying to compile HEAD on a Raspberry and get always the following
error.
Of course, compiling revision 302017 on amd64 works.
Erich
Last Changed Rev: 301974
/usr/src/lib/csu/arm/crt1.c:(.text+0xb4): relocation truncated to
fit: R_ARM_CALL against symbol `atexit' defined in
...@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/arm.armv6/usr/src/sys/RPI2 arm
Should we edit the include files?
Any other ideas?
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Hi,
On Sun, 31 May 2015 10:01:48 +0200
Fabian Keil wrote:
> Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 May 2015 05:52:56 -0400
> > Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> >
> > > My desktop machine is 11-current and I want to down grade it to
> > > 10-stable ho
ernel and the world in
one go.
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ows up nicely in web searches, and it is easier
This is also true for the e-mails.
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Hi,
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 01:48:39 -0700
Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I e-mailed Lukas Ertl about
I think that you to the wrong URL. The university of vienna is here:
http://www.univie.ac.at
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E took almost two hours with LIB32 and CLANG since much of it
> gets compiled twice.
>
> Is it time to deprecate LIB32 in -current for 11-RELEASE? I realize
this is a good idea. Just document it properly. So everybody can still
use it.
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a jail?
I just used my FreeBSD 10 machine to test this. It works as expected.
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always compile both
the world and the kernel.
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switch version.
Erich
On Sat, 1 Mar 2014
22:00:52 +0400 Yuriy Taraday wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I currently have FreeBSD 8.3 on my home server and it works fine but
> it's time to upgrade at last (new ath and new ipfw especially allure
> me). I've decided to go straight to 10.0
Mouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
[ 111.182] (II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse
The same X worked perfectly with any FreeBSD 10 since BETA1.
When I change xorg.conf and disable moused, I am able to get the
internal mouse (stick) working but not the external one. The exte
a -d' would "fix"
It also does not work.
The machine is running FreeBSD 10.0 RC2.
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ther linux machine.
> I am getting following error while starting httpd with following
> commad: command:
> httpd -k start
>
> error:
>
> /httpd: symbol lookup error: /usr/papache/lib/libapr-1.so.0: undefined
> symbol: dlopen
>
> Can you pl
Hi,
On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 22:04:56 -0400
Glen Barber wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 08:10:09AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > doesn't this show again that svn came a bit early?
>
> No, it shows that people do not keep their third-party software up to
> date.
you want
re
> > security vulnerabilities.
>
> 1.7.9 works/worked fine for updating my /usr/src and my personal
> svn repository. The change to use svnlite in newvers.sh should
> have an entry in UPDATING to alert users that have a too old
> svn port that they need to upgrade. I go as
b/X11/fonts/Windows-7-Fonts/angsa.ttf' [ 22019.186]
FreeType: couldn't find encoding 'ascii-0' for
'/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Windows-7-Fonts/angsa.ttf' [ 22021.553]
FreeType: couldn't find encoding 'ascii-0' for
'/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Windows-7-
he machine runs for nearly 2 days including X without these
problems. With other words, you fixed it without knowing.
Erich
>
>
> -adrian
>
> On 5 July 2013 17:14, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I updated my rock solid FreeBSD 10 installation f
did not crash anymore since this
FreeBSD X220.ovitrap.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #2 r252491M:
Wed Jul 3 08:45:23 CIT 2013
r...@x220.ovitrap.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/X220 amd64
There is a new problem, but it is minor and I will report only after
testing
this experience too?
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Hi,
On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:25:24 +0700
Erich Dollansky wrote:
> I updated my system over night. It suddenly reboots and I find some 20
> entries like this in /var/log/message:
I have had to give up using this kernel after it crashed all the while.
I will now doing updates of my kern
Hi,
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:23:33 +0300
Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:25:24AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > uname -a says:
> >
> > FreeBSD X220.ovitrap.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #24
> > r250918: Thu May 23 09:00:07 WIT 2013
Hi,
On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:23:33 +0300
Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:25:24AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I updated my system over night. It suddenly reboots and I find some
> > 20 entries like this in /var/log/message:
&g
FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #24 r250918:
Thu May 23 09:00:07 WIT 2013
er...@x220.ovitrap.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/X220 amd64
Is this a known problem?
All I could find at the Internet is a bit old and not related to chrome
at all.
Erich
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ang occurs whether or not the fuse systems have
> been unmounted.
>
> System is an amd64 kernel on a Core5i-2520M ThinkPad T520. 4G memory.
> Generic kernel EXCEPT that I am running the kernel fusefs
> implementation from head.
>
> Do any of the other reporters of this u
and as long as I am travelling, I only have access to the
Intel machine.
Erich
>
> On 22 April 2013 15:50, Shawn Webb wrote:
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I'm on r249745 on amd64. For the past few weeks, my box hasn't been
> > able to completely turn off or reboo
.ovitrap.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/X220 amd64
I noticed that very often, the file /boot/loader.conf is empty when the
machine is started again later.
Is there a way I could help to find the source of the problem?
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on ppc32? <-- This
> needs to be fixed first.
I do not use FreeBSD on any thing else but AMD64.
> Thanks for the replies and sorry for any noise.
Isn't the noise the idea behind this mailing list?
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rns to the machine with an Internet connection.
> Note that if anything is missing, build will fail at compile time on
> the internet-less machine.
This should only be a problem for the ports. The sources can easily be
downloaded in one go.
Erich
_
Hi,
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:26:54 +0100
Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Erich Dollansky <
> erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com> wrote:
>
>
> What does a 'usbconfig devlist' before and after unplugging show?
>
do you mean this?
Before
Hi,
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:07:14 -0400 (EDT)
Daniel Eischen wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:21:05 +0700
> > Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> >> As you can see, I took the adaptor connected t
Hi,
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:21:05 +0700
Erich Dollansky wrote:
> As you can see, I took the adaptor connected to ugne0.3 out. In
> addition, the keyboard ukbd0 was disconnected too. When I put the
> adaptor back in, the keyboard comes back too. As you can imagine, it
> is a bit ha
on a notebook.
uname -a says:
FreeBSD X220.ovitrap.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #23: Sat Feb
23 17:24:19 WIT 2013
er...@x220.ovitrap.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/X220 amd64
Any thing I could do to help fix this?
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Hi,
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 03:04:00 -0500
Yasir hussan wrote:
> i just want to run multiple IPs for single network card in freebsd
it should work with alias of ifconfig
Erich
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Yasir hussan
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does any
, I imagine that
No, it does not.
> PCI0.VID is the Intel graphics and PEG is the non-Intel. The output
> of 'pciconf -lcv' would be useful to determine that. If both PCI
> devices exist you shoudl have both acpi_video0 and acpi_video1.
> However, it may be that the acpi_video d
Hi,
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:11:48 -0700 (MST)
Warren Block wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013, Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> >>> gpart destroy -F da0
> >>> diskinfo da0
> >>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=512 count=34
> >>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/de
Hi,
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 08:44:50 -0700 (MST)
Warren Block wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> > I did this to get a disk partitioned:
> >
> > #!/bin/tcsh
>
> Gah!
>
it is a generated script.
> > gpart destroy -F da0
> > di
Hi,
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:51:22 +0700
Erich Dollansky wrote:
>
> I did this to get a disk partitioned:
>
> #!/bin/tcsh
> ###
> #
> # File name: FormatSamsung160GB
> #
> # Description:
some time ago.
Did I miss something very, very simple?
Erich
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Hi Erik,
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:43:17 +0100
Erik Cederstrand wrote:
=> Den 11/02/2013 kl. 00.38 skrev Erich Dollansky
> :
>
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:57:01 +0100
> > Erik Cederstrand wrote:
> >
> >> And as long as there is no automatic can taster doing qu
despite having more memory.
I run currently my desktop and my notebook on 10. If I stick with my
policy, I would stay with 10 until 12 would be available.
On the other side, it feels so outdated not to have something like
the most current version.
Erich
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Hi,
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:57:01 +0100
Erik Cederstrand wrote:
> Den 10/02/2013 kl. 02.30 skrev Erich Dollansky
> :
>
> > I am on dog food since last May/June. How should I phrase it? Every
> > can tastes different. Most cans have a perfect taste but some cans
> >
can is bad, the machine is down.
As FreeBSD.org sits next to the canning machine, it can run on dog food.
Erich
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d always fails
> with "No space on device."
>
I used a gpart show between in a different situation. The script did
not work without it. When I entered the same commands from the command
line, they all worked. So, things could be related to cache or delayed
writes.
Erich
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169869480 8069036487 freebsd-ufs (384G)
976773128 4 - free - (2.0k)
The system started from ada0. It fails to start from da0 now.
Before I switch the disks, does anybody know of something which causes
the problem?
If this matters, I did this with an X220 ThinkPa
Hi,
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:44:59 +0200
Artyom Mirgorodskiy wrote:
> Did you try to rebuild xorg-server with latest clang patch? (this
> patch commited 2-3 days ago)
it seems that my X server was a bit too old. I just upgraded and all
works fine now?
Thanks!
Erich
>
> On Monday
Hi,
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:44:59 +0200
Artyom Mirgorodskiy wrote:
> Did you try to rebuild xorg-server with latest clang patch? (this
> patch commited 2-3 days ago)
I do not know as I updated the ports tree around this time. Let me do
it again.
Thanks for the hint.
Erich
>
>
could cause this?
I will recompile and reinstall all my ports now to see what will come
out there.
Erich
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lly enter these commands, it works from the start. Of course,
this is a problem caused by the modem but mentioning this in the
handbook could help others in this strange situation.
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inions on format, I just want this information
> easly accessible.
>
> Comments?
>
this is a good idea!
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t compiler?
>
> The above statement is somewhat troubling to those of us
> who use FreeBSD as computational nodes.
>
> BTW, the name of the language is "Fortran". It's been "Fortran"
> for the last 30-somet
and I discovered that I previously commented out this line in
> x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel/Makefile:
> EXTRA_PATCHES+= ${PATCHDIR}/extra-i915kms
so, wrong name --> wrong modules. This simple.
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Hi,
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:20:13 +0800
Denny Lin wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:59:54AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > this seems to be wrong:
> >
> > > 131 0x8167a000 7019 i915.ko
> > > 141 0x81682000 111c4drm.ko
> &
Xorg previously worked on my laptop with all.14.3.patch on top of
> -CURRENT from around mid-April, so I'm not sure what went wrong.
>
I did not touch this machine since 16.07.12.
Maybe your patches affected something. Can you download a fresh source
tree?
Erich
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change on one platform.
> Any disadvantage or objection to selectively use this form
> in our kernel code for parts that need to work on multiple
> platforms ?
This concept also works inside a kernel, driver or in the world. The
concept should then be limited
Hi,
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:13:04 +0200
Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 July 2012 14:54:08 Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >
> > I have strange problem which I can reproduce.
> >
> > When I copy some 100GB to a disk via USB when X is not active, it
>
only X on the same machine and do the same copy via network,
the machine behaves as expected.
What could I do to locate the problem?
Erich
PS
uname says:
FreeBSD AMD620.ovitrap.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #38: Sat
Jul 21 06:58:49 WIT 2012
log/news/news.crit
# news.err /var/log/news/news.err
# news.notice /var/log/news/news.notice
!ppp
*.* /var/log/ppp.log
!*
The file is the from a default installation of 10.
Erich
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Hi,
On Friday 20 July 2012 16:13:56 Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Friday, July 20, 2012 a las 03:45:23PM +0700, Erich Dollansky escribió:
>
> > > ...
> > > Is it necessary to poll? Usually devd generates an event when the
> > > battery status and/or percent
Hi,
On Friday 20 July 2012 12:31:08 Lars Engels wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:04:59AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I forget yesterday to share these two scripts:
> >
> > http://www.alogreentechnologies.com/freebsd/checkbattery
> >
&
might depend
on the usage pattern.
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Hi,
On Thursday 19 July 2012 23:30:20 Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Erich Dollansky
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.alogreentechnologies.com/freebsd/setbrightness
> >
> I am curious about the reason you load i915kms before starting X,
whe
comment on them.
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Hi,
On Monday 16 July 2012 20:07:27 Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
> On Monday 16 July 2012 14:47:04 Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sunday 15 July 2012 15:25:10 Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > > Sounds like bluetooth coexistence?
> >
> > the problem
makes it so weird for me.
Ok, after a restart the problem was solved. But, are we really used to restart
FreeBSD because of things like this?
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Hi,
On Friday, July 13, 2012 09:10:16 PM Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Erich Dollansky
>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know that this is not a very helpful information.
> >
> > I have an Lenovo X220 running 10 from some 2 wee
tested, tell me please. I will have
access to 'my' network the coming week again.
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ither:
'Your search - HAL_INT_RXHP - did not match any documents. '
Who knows more about the values to be used for them?
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Hi,
On Friday, July 06, 2012 03:24:34 AM Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Erich Dollansky
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > there have been some people here - including me - wondering whether the
> > head phone jack works. Yes, it does.
> >
>
Hi,
there have been some people here - including me - wondering whether the head
phone jack works. Yes, it does.
I just have had the chance to connect the head phone jack. It works when vlc is
set to use /dev/dsp1.0.
Using /dev/dsp0.1 brings sound to the built-in speakers.
Erich
Hi,
On Sunday, July 01, 2012 01:58:49 PM Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Sunday, July 01, 2012 a las 06:29:28AM +0700, Erich Dollansky escribió:
>
> > > and no older versions. I will install the USB booted system to harddisk
> > > and hope when booted from disk and not
Hi,
On Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:11:31 PM Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Saturday, June 30, 2012 a las 01:49:58PM +0700, Erich Dollansky
> escribió:
>
> >
> > Can you try FreeBSD 7.4 or 8.3?
> >
> > It is sad to say but some times support for older hardwa
: 20G Total, 20G Free
>
>
> Seems like the entry for CPU 1 is wrong.
I also noticed this but thought it is of temporary nature. The data of CPU 1 is
getting overwritten by the data of the memory usage.
Erich
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e. I have had to stick with an older
FreeBSD version on this machine.
Can you try FreeBSD 7.4 or 8.3?
It is sad to say but some times support for older hardware gets cut out for
whatever reason.
Erich
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you installed a rather early version of the KMS
> code, it is possible that you have two xf-video.intel* ports in your
> tree, thought I don't expect this is the case.
This could be the real reason why it fails
But I must say that it hangs on rare occasio
Jun 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Andriy Gapon
> >>> wrote:
> Committed as r237652:
>
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=237652
>
I updated my sources around midnight (GMT) and compiled them again. The system
then booted without any problems.
Perfect!
Er
Hi,
On Wednesday 27 June 2012 15:42:43 Andriy Gapon wrote:
> on 27/06/2012 11:39 Erich Dollansky said the following:
> > Anyway, What would be a save way to get a trace to a disk as I do not have a
> > backup system with me?
>
> Assuming I understand the question corre
Hi,
On Wednesday 27 June 2012 13:20:10 Andriy Gapon wrote:
> on 27/06/2012 08:27 Andrey Fesenko said the following:
> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Erich Dollansky
> > wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am getting a panix when I boot a newly compiled syst
.ovitrap.com 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #4: Thu Jun 21
14:29:15 WIT 2012
solves the problem for me.
Erich
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Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:58:59 Hartmann, O. wrote:
> On 06/07/12 11:17, Daniel Kalchev wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
> >>> Those "minor" issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
> >>> simple &quo
Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:58:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> On 07.06.12 12:30, Erich wrote:
> > On 07 June 2012 12:17:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
> >>
> > this is precisely the kind of answer which stops people from using FreeBSD.
> >
> > Thank you for repellin
Hi,
On 07 June 2012 12:17:14 Daniel Kalchev wrote:
>
> On 07.06.12 02:09, Erich wrote:
> >> Those "minor" issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
> >> simple "negative exaggeration". What is that "price worth", if the
>
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 21:59:49 O. Hartmann wrote:
> On 06/06/12 16:15, Chris Rees wrote:
> > On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky
> > wrote:
> Those "minor" issues are, having the recent mess in front of my eyes, a
> simple "negative exaggeration". What
Hi,
On 06 June 2012 15:15:24 Chris Rees wrote:
> On 6 June 2012 14:48, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 06 June 2012 9:21:22 Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
> >>
> >> Overall I see it as packages are flat stable at the cost of being out of
> >> d
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