Re: kevent has bug?

2014-04-01 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Kohji Okuno wrote this message on Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 11:45 +0900: > I think, kevent() has a bug. > I tested sample programs by attached sources. > This sample tests about EVFILT_SIGNAL. > > I build sample programs by the following commands. > % gcc -O2 -o child child.c > % gcc -O2 -o parent pare

Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin Lo
On 2014/04/02 04:53, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hi! Hi Adrian, On 31 March 2014 19:20, Kevin Lo wrote: Thank you John. glebius@ suggests we don't need to have two absolutely equal uma zones since most systems don't run UDP-Lite. If practice shows that a differentiation at zone level between UD

kevent has bug?

2014-04-01 Thread Kohji Okuno
Hi, I think, kevent() has a bug. I tested sample programs by attached sources. This sample tests about EVFILT_SIGNAL. I build sample programs by the following commands. % gcc -O2 -o child child.c % gcc -O2 -o parent parent.c The expected result is the following. % ./parent 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 1 April 2014 15:40, Garrett Wollman wrote: > In article <533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu>, > mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes: > >>I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997, > > Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the > desktop since, well, before it wa

Re: [CFT] ASLR and PIE on amd64

2014-04-01 Thread Oliver Pinter
On 3/31/14, Shawn Webb wrote: > On Mar 31, 2014 02:07 AM +0200, Oliver Pinter wrote: >> On 3/22/14, Shawn Webb wrote: >> > Hey All, >> > >> > First off, I hope that even as a non-committer, it's okay that I post >> > a call for testing. If not, please excuse my newbishness in this >> > process. T

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article <533b3903.7030...@rancid.berkeley.edu>, mich...@rancid.berkeley.edu writes: >I have been using FreeBSD on the desktop since 1997, Hmmm. I'm a bit biased here, but I've been using FreeBSD on the desktop since, well, before it was called FreeBSD. It's still my primary platform for near

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels > escribió: > > > > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the > > > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the > > >

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: > Eitan, > > While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since > FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa. > > While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for > normal >

Re: Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi! On 31 March 2014 19:20, Kevin Lo wrote: > > Thank you John. glebius@ suggests we don't need to have two absolutely > equal uma zones since most systems don't run UDP-Lite. > If practice shows that a differentiation at zone level between UDP and > UDP-Lite PCBs is important, then it could b

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió: > > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the > > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the > > [snip] > > > > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
> -Original Message- >> From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On >> Behalf Of Randi Harper >> >>You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are >>going to step >> up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop!

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > >> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard >> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler >>> wrote: >>> >>> That is why on this date I propose that w

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Brian Kim
Hi all, I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5 now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email. Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned i

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard > wrote: > > > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > > > >> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the > >> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Olander
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the >> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux >> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
> > On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" >> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a >> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 07:52:13AM -0700, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM > > To: Jordan Hubbard > > Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- > > ad

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Person, Roderick
-Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper > >You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are >going to step up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop! It's totally

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Allan Jude
On 2014-04-01 03:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete > top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to > idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize > all of the hot-spo

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jim Thompson
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno wrote: > Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this > happy Mac user: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them. I recently installed Fr

Fwd: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Stefan Wendler
Sorry, should have replied to everybody ;) Cheers -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market Date: Tuesday 01 April 2014, 17:34:28 From: Stefan Wendler To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org Hi, On Monday 31 March 2014 22:46:45 Eitan Adler wrote: > Hi all, > >

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
> Hi all, > > Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" > and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can > be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a > desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD > c

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: > Hi all, > > > Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" > and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a > worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. > In shor

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jakub Lach
You got me for a moment :) On a serious note... OpenBSD is reportedly having some success on a desktop- is using -CURRENT on dev's desktop religiously (so I've heard) something related? (e.g. working sound out of the box) I have sound with www/firefox without pulseaudio, albeit firefox 28 seg

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
> -Original Message- > From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM > To: Jordan Hubbard > Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- > advoc...@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market > > On Tue, Apr 01, 20

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
> -Original Message- > From: Eitan Adler [mailto:li...@eitanadler.com] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 PM > To: hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- > advoc...@freebsd.org > Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market > > Hi all, > > Some of you may have seen my posts entitle

Re: UDP Lite support

2014-04-01 Thread John Baldwin
On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:20:53 pm Kevin Lo wrote: > On 2014/03/28 00:21, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:32:16 am Kevin Lo wrote: > > Are you interested in working on these and report back? > The revised patch is available at: > http://people.freebsd.org/~kev

Re: ZFS panic in -CURRENT

2014-04-01 Thread R. Tyler Croy
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:41:45 +0300 Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 01/04/2014 02:22 R. Tyler Croy said the following: > > Bumping this with more details > > > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:53:32 -0700 > > R Tyler Croy wrote: > > > >> Apologies for the rough format here, I had to take a picture of > >> thi

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Sean Bruno
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote: > Hi all, > > Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" > and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can > be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a > desktop. In sho

RE: Call for testers: SNMPv3 support for bsnmpd(1)

2014-04-01 Thread Marciano, Anthony
Thank Harti. Tony -Original Message- From: Hartmut Brandt [mailto:hartmut.bra...@dlr.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 2:06 AM To: Marciano, Anthony Cc: syr...@freebsd.org; Bjoern A. Zeeb; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; tomaro...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Call for testers: SNMPv3 support for

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux > desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for > server or embedded use. > > Some of y

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Daniel Kalchev
Hice April 1st piece, Let's see what I could contribute :) On 01.04.14 08:46, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux > > desktop" and start to rip out

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete > top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to > idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize > all of the hot-

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
Hi, On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User" and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educatio