Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 3/2/12 10:21 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 03/02/2012 03:44, K. Macy wrote: not sure who wrote: Correct. However, I'm not sure the analogy is flawed. I am, to some degree, guilty of the same sin. I now run Ubuntu and have never had a single problem keeping my package system up date, in stark c

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 3/2/12 4:43 PM, David Xu wrote: On 2012/3/3 1:01, Adrian Chadd wrote: Ok. So it's that exact commit? david, what did you break? :) Adrian I am also running the seamonkey and can not reproduce the problem. maybe he did hit the race window when I was committing the patches ? can he update

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 3/2/12 12:21 PM, deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:01:25 -0800 Adrian Chadd wrote: Ok. So it's that exact commit? david, what did you break? :) I bet it is old enough :) I'm on 9.0-PRERELEASE #3 r227950 and when Seamonkey can't reach some docume

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Rotate 13
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:26:08 -0500, Gary Palmer wrote: > fstat only shows the inode number of the file, e.g. [...] Oops. I should have paid more attention (or installed sysutils/lsof) before piping around output of an unfamiliar tool... > I don't recall seeing in your original message - after

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread David Xu
On 2012/3/3 4:24, deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: A truss snippet from running with an older-than-r232144 kernel: clock_gettime(4,{29653.159790037 }) = 0 (0x0) write(12,"\M-z",1) = 1 (0x1) clock_gettime(4,{29653.160165225 }) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday({1330716922.220648 }

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread David Xu
On 2012/3/3 1:01, Adrian Chadd wrote: Ok. So it's that exact commit? david, what did you break? :) Adrian I am also running the seamonkey and can not reproduce the problem. maybe he did hit the race window when I was committing the patches ? can he update and install the world and kernel a

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Gary Palmer
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 06:48:12PM -0500, Rotate 13 wrote: > > As for named running, if you do > > > > sh /etc/rc.d/named restart > > > > does it succeed? If so, the 'named_enable="no"' flag must be set wrong. > > "sh /etc/rc.d/named restart" gives exactly what you would expect > ("Cannot `restar

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Adrian Chadd
I've had the same problem with wireless. For some users, wireless works flawlessly. For other users, it's completely unusable. Trying to get any kind of useful feedback from people has been impossible at best. I've even had FreeBSD developers, sitting in the developers IRC channel, say wifi is s

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Rotate 13
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:16:45 -0500, Gary Palmer wrote: > Does the datestamp on /usr/sbin/named reflect when you built the world > or could named have been left over from a previous install? > > WITHOUT_BIND="yes" doesn't delete named if its already installed (not > sure > if 'make delete-old' cle

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:41:28 -0500, Rotate 13 wrote: I set WITHOUT_BIND="yes" in /etc/src.conf, and built/installed world. Not only does /usr/sbin/named exist - named is actually started! Several other WITHOUT_* variables also were apparently ignored, as evidenced by stuff installed on running sy

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread David Cornejo
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Rotate 13 wrote: > I set WITHOUT_BIND="yes" in /etc/src.conf, and built/installed world. > Not only does /usr/sbin/named exist - named is actually started! > Several other WITHOUT_* variables also were apparently ignored, as > evidenced by stuff installed on runnin

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 2012-03-02 23:41, Rotate 13 wrote: > I set WITHOUT_BIND="yes" in /etc/src.conf, and built/installed world. > Not only does /usr/sbin/named exist - named is actually started! > Several other WITHOUT_* variables also were apparently ignored, as > evidenced by stuff installed on running system. Ha

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta8 is out

2012-03-02 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
Hi, We just released beta8 of pkgng, it comes with the usual fixes and some new features: pkg set is a new subcommand to modify the content of the local package database, currently only modifying -a [01] the status wether the package as been installed as a dependency or direct can be done. pkg c

Re: src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Gary Palmer
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:41:28PM -0500, Rotate 13 wrote: > I set WITHOUT_BIND="yes" in /etc/src.conf, and built/installed world. > Not only does /usr/sbin/named exist - named is actually started! > Several other WITHOUT_* variables also were apparently ignored, as > evidenced by stuff installed o

src.conf ignored; phantom named

2012-03-02 Thread Rotate 13
I set WITHOUT_BIND="yes" in /etc/src.conf, and built/installed world. Not only does /usr/sbin/named exist - named is actually started! Several other WITHOUT_* variables also were apparently ignored, as evidenced by stuff installed on running system. My main question is - how do I debug this? I ha

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 03/03/2012 00:24 Doug Barton said the following: > On 3/2/2012 1:27 PM, Andriy Gapon wrote: >> on 02/03/2012 20:21 Doug Barton said the following: >>> ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our >>> developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. >> >> Do you car

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/2/2012 1:27 PM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 02/03/2012 20:21 Doug Barton said the following: >> ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our >> developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. > > Do you care to back this up with facts? You mean other than the ver

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandr Rybalko
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:52:06 +0100 Florian Smeets wrote: > On 02.03.12 20:08, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:01:25 -0800 > > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > >> Ok. So it's that exact commit? > >> > >> david, what did you break? :) > >> > > > > I bet it is old enough :) > > I'm on

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 02/03/2012 20:21 Doug Barton said the following: > ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our > developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. Do you care to back this up with facts? Or are you going beyond constructive in your [self-]criticism of FreeBSD [OS,

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread deeptech71
A truss snippet from running with an older-than-r232144 kernel: clock_gettime(4,{29653.159790037 }) = 0 (0x0) write(12,"\M-z",1) = 1 (0x1) clock_gettime(4,{29653.160165225 }) = 0 (0x0) gettimeofday({1330716922.220648 },0x0) = 0 (0x0)

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread deeptech71
Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:01:25 -0800 Adrian Chadd wrote: Ok. So it's that exact commit? david, what did you break? :) I bet it is old enough :) I'm on 9.0-PRERELEASE #3 r227950 and when Seamonkey can't reach some document it get 100% cpu. one time I even attach to it

Re: if_igb crashes system

2012-03-02 Thread matt
On 03/01/12 21:24, matt wrote: > bringing up igb0 is currently causing my 10-CURRENT box to become very > non-responsive (as though downclocked to some 100 KHZ...very, very, very > slow). > > cmdwatch 'vmstat -i' shows the interrupts get assigned for igb0, and > about 1 second later the machine is

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread H
Doug Barton wrote: > ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our > developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. So it has > increasingly become an OS where changes are being lobbed over the wall > by developers who don't run systems that those changes affect. Tha

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Florian Smeets
On 02.03.12 20:08, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote: > On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:01:25 -0800 > Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> Ok. So it's that exact commit? >> >> david, what did you break? :) >> > > I bet it is old enough :) > I'm on 9.0-PRERELEASE #3 r227950 and when Seamonkey can't reach some > document it get

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Aleksandr Rybalko
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:01:25 -0800 Adrian Chadd wrote: > Ok. So it's that exact commit? > > david, what did you break? :) > I bet it is old enough :) I'm on 9.0-PRERELEASE #3 r227950 and when Seamonkey can't reach some document it get 100% cpu. one time I even attach to it and found what seamon

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread K. Macy
> No, I already pointed out the distinction between "new, experimental > features;" and "essential components of the FreeBSD operating system." > It's Ok for you to disagree with that distinction, or with its > importance. But what you're suggesting is that if users don't help > developers debug "c

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/02/2012 10:46, K. Macy wrote: > You understand my point but then fail to or choose not to see how it > applies to you when it creates problems for you personally. No, I already pointed out the distinction between "new, experimental features;" and "essential components of the FreeBSD operatin

Re: DTrace/MIPS port

2012-03-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Oleksandr Tymoshenko wrote: Last few weeks I've been working on DTrace port for MIPS architecture. I believe that project reached the stage when it's ready for public review/testing before going into the tree. Patch and some information could be found here: http://people.

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread K. Macy
> > ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our > developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. So it has > increasingly become an OS where changes are being lobbed over the wall > by developers who don't run systems that those changes affect. That's no > way to r

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/02/2012 03:44, K. Macy wrote: >> Apparently you've missed all the times that I've given that exact advice. :) >> >> But your analogy is severely flawed. Flowtable was an experimental >> feature that theoretically might have increased performance for some >> work flows, but turned out to be fa

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread Adrian Chadd
Ok. So it's that exact commit? david, what did you break? :) Adrian ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: Updating /usr/src/sys to CURRENT

2012-03-02 Thread Ismael Farfán
2012/3/2 marco : > On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 01:25:15PM -0600, you (Ismael Farf??n) sent the > following to [freebsd-current] : >> >> Also, I just found this, I don't know if there is a better way of >> updating src/sys >> http://www.rhyous.com/2009/12/25/how-to-download-freebsd-current-or-freebsd-s

Re: Updating /usr/src/sys to CURRENT

2012-03-02 Thread marco
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 01:25:15PM -0600, you (Ismael Farf??n) sent the following to [freebsd-current] : > > Also, I just found this, I don't know if there is a better way of > updating src/sys > http://www.rhyous.com/2009/12/25/how-to-download-freebsd-current-or-freebsd-stable-using-svn/ I woul

Re: SeaMonkey eats the CPU as of r232144

2012-03-02 Thread deeptech71
Adrian Chadd wrote: This is totally reproducable? Can you switch back/forth? Yes. On 29 February 2012 04:24, deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: As of r232144, SeaMonkey (a web browser) runs rather slowly and is constantly eating 100% CPU time. Before r232144, SeaMonkey would start up and run faste

Re: [CFT] modular kernel config

2012-03-02 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Slawa Olhovchenkov (from Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:24:01 +0400): On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:09:24AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting Slawa Olhovchenkov (from Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:58:34 +0400): > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:35:37PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > >> You can down

Re: revisiting tunables under Safe Mode menu option

2012-03-02 Thread jb
Devin Teske fisglobal.com> writes: > ... > > > So I would welcome discussions involving development of something better > > (and am > > > willing to help). > > > ... > Not exactly sure what "service safemode start" should do (BSD doesn't have the > same concept of runlevels as Linux does; so it

Re: Can't boot with geom_part_(gpt|mbr|bsd|ebr)

2012-03-02 Thread Pavel Timofeev
"Kernel can't boot" is a common idea. I did the tests for each geom_part and described it in PR. Some transcription: boot stops (on usb detect) - boot stops, not hangs, you can push Pause/Break and surf through system boot messages. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5606/16519813.0/0_83860_a4bf85d_or

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread K. Macy
> Apparently you've missed all the times that I've given that exact advice. :) > > But your analogy is severely flawed. Flowtable was an experimental > feature that theoretically might have increased performance for some > work flows, but turned out to be fatally flawed. The ports system is an > es

Re: FreeBSD: Marvell 88SX61xx should be 88SE61xx

2012-03-02 Thread Alexander Motin
On 02/25/12 15:55, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: Maybe some spam filters ate my mails so I am replying to current@. Could anyone help to commit it? Sorry, I had vacation. Committed. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jia-Shiun Li wrote: Hi Alexander, I've submitted a PR for this: http://www.freebsd.o

Re: [CFT] modular kernel config

2012-03-02 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 10:09:24AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting Slawa Olhovchenkov (from Thu, 1 Mar 2012 > 18:58:34 +0400): > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:35:37PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > >> You can download from > >>http://www.Leidinger.net/FreeBSD/current-

Re: [CFT] modular kernel config

2012-03-02 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Slawa Olhovchenkov (from Thu, 1 Mar 2012 18:58:34 +0400): On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:35:37PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: You can download from http://www.Leidinger.net/FreeBSD/current-patches/ The files are - i386_SMALL - i386_SMALL_loader.conf - amd64_SMALL - a

Re: flowtable usable or not

2012-03-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/01/2012 16:03, K. Macy wrote: > I understand the switch. Uptime is important in any production > network. However, it seems like it may have been too easy to turn it > off because no one has made any effort to help me debug the issues. By > analogy your guidance for ports usability problems