RE: sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Cagle, John (ISS-Houston) wrote: > Thanks! It was an ACPI-related problem. I disabled ACPI > (hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" in /boot/device.hints) and rebooted and now > both com ports show up properly as they did with FreeBSD 4.8. (These > are just standard com ports, btw.) We

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:35:59PM -0500, Jeff Roberson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you know of any problem other than idlepri breakage? I just fixed > > that. I'm about to get on a plane so I don't have time to benchmark it. > > If you have

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Matthew Dillon wrote: > :How does this break the read() API? The read() API, when called > :on a NBIO fd is *supposed* to return EAGAIN, if the request cannot > :be immediately satisfied, but could be satisfied later. Right now, > :it blocks. This looks like breakage of disk I/O introducing a >

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:35:59PM -0500, Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know of any problem other than idlepri breakage? I just fixed > that. I'm about to get on a plane so I don't have time to benchmark it. > If you have a chance I'd love to see how the most recent fixes eff

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:24, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. > > > New algorithm entirely. > > > > > > nice +20 processes will not run if any

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Evan Dower
I agree. In fact, it was. I only posted to -current after receiving no response for a few days (since I suspected that it might have been related to my upgrade to 5.0). I personally have never messed with sendmail's configuration because on my system it functions only as a local mailer. I guess

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:24, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. > > New algorithm entirely. > > > > nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. > > > > idleprio is still not wor

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Sean Chittenden
> I have commited libthr. To try this out you'll need to do the following > > 1. cvsup > 2. rebuild world and kernel > 3. install world and kernel > 4. build libthr from src/lib/libthr > 5. Either replace /usr/lib/libc_r.so.5 with /usr/lib/libthr.so.1 or > relink your applications against li

RE: sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)
Thanks! It was an ACPI-related problem. I disabled ACPI (hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" in /boot/device.hints) and rebooted and now both com ports show up properly as they did with FreeBSD 4.8. (These are just standard com ports, btw.) I didn't realize ACPI was involved in legacy com port detection.

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > ... The scaling of niceness was re-broken in -current about 3 > > > years ago to "fix" the priority inversion problems. This is with > > > SCHED_4BSD. SCHED_ULE h

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > > ... The scaling of niceness was re-broken in -current about 3 > > years ago to "fix" the priority inversion problems. This is with > > SCHED_4BSD. SCHED_ULE has larger problems. > > Do you know of any problem

Re: sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Cagle, John (ISS-Houston) wrote: > I'm having a problem with -current on a ProLiant BL10e blade server. On > the blade server, we use a serial console on sio0/COM1. This works > perfectly with 4.8, but for some reason, the sio driver doesn't see COM1 > at all, and assigns COM

linux-emu ioctl not implemented w/ quake3

2003-04-02 Thread Matthias Buelow
Hi folks, I'm running 5.0-RELEASE-p7 on i386 and investigated how quake3 (linux) would be doing at the moment. I had some relative success on 4.7 (quake3 ran ok, in 3d acceleration, but only for about 30 seconds, at which point the whole machine froze solid) so I hoped it might just work out. Th

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
can we have a subject ID? the KSE list prefixes with [KSE] and I've grown used to not ignoring those :-) On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > > Yes I think so.. > > I think 'threads is a better name thatn 'kse' though kse > > is good in that it's real quick to type :-

Re: mbuf LOR

2003-04-02 Thread Bosko Milekic
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 12:39:30PM -0800, Nate Lawson wrote: > I was testing some changes to make fxp MPSAFE and got a LOR in allocating > the mbuf cluster and then finally a panic when trying to dereference the > cluster header. Is the mbuf system MPSAFE? Is it ok to call m_getcl > with a devic

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Julian Elischer wrote: > Yes I think so.. > I think 'threads is a better name thatn 'kse' though kse > is good in that it's real quick to type :-) OK, done. It seems to me we've needed one for a while now. Subscribe by either: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-threads or echo "su

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
A thought on 'fixing AIO..' On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > A better solution would be to implement a new system call, similar to > pread(), which simply checks the buffer cache and returns a short read > or an error if the data is not present. If the call fails you

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Matthew Dillon
:How does this break the read() API? The read() API, when called :on a NBIO fd is *supposed* to return EAGAIN, if the request cannot :be immediately satisfied, but could be satisfied later. Right now, :it blocks. This looks like breakage of disk I/O introducing a :stall, when socket I/O doesn't

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
Yes I think so.. I think 'threads is a better name thatn 'kse' though kse is good in that it's real quick to type :-) On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: > > ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process > >

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew Boothman
Terry Lambert wrote: Stijn Hoop wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:54:45PM -0500, Jeff Roberson wrote: I have commited libthr. To try this out you'll need to do the following I know very very little about threads, but I'm interested as to what the purpose is of this library. Is ther

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Mark Dixon
Michael W . Lucas wrote: While I'm all for a sense of humor, and agree that implementation of the IP_EVIL flag is vital for FreeBSD to be a modern operating system, it stops being funny when it breaks world. Its a pathetic waste of everyones time when it breaks world. Mark smime.p7s Descrip

I'll be gone for a week.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
I'm letting you all know since I wont be able to look at thr bugs for a week. Also, I'm very interested in hearing comments on ULE when I get back. Cheers, Jeff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-curren

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Matthew Dillon wrote: >Peter Wemm wrote: > :Terry Lambert wrote: > :> > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > :> > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > :> > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > > > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > > > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats the

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On (2003/04/02 01:54), Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > > > It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. > > > New algorithm entirely. > > > > > > nice +20 processes will not run if anyth

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:24, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. > > New algorithm entirely. > > > > nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. > > > > idleprio is still not wo

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Matthew Dillon
That's a cute trick. The ultimate solution is to implement a semi-synchronous message passing API to replace the myrid system calls we have now. Roughly speaking, what the Amiga did for messages, ports, and I/O, is far superior then what is done in Linux and *BSD. You get th

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > > > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > > > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read()

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:29, Don wrote: > Seriously though, I _always_ replace sendmail with postfix and I have > never had a problem doing so. Other than one or two really trivial > anyway. > > What problems do people run into when replacing sendmail? How many of > those problems come as a result of

Re: failure notice

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at norton.palomine.net. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. GRRR. a spammer is sending out a batch of spam right now and us

Re: FreeBSD threads list suggestion (was libthr and 1:1 threading.)

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: > > ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process > > ] signal mask removal. > > We can add new mailing lists really easily now - it takes about 20-30 seconds. > Would it be worth adding a free

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Matthew Dillon wrote: > A better solution would be to give AIO the capability to > operate synchronously if the operation would occur in a > non-blocking fashion (inclusive of blockages on page faults), > and asynchronously otherwise. Without wanting to get too far off into the w

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:24, Jeff Roberson wrote: > It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. > New algorithm entirely. > > nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. > > idleprio is still not working correctly. bde reports that this causes a > 3% perf

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Terry Lambert wrote: :> Peter Wemm wrote: :> > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without :> > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r :> > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats the :> > ultimate reason t

Re: Odd issues with USB SmartMedia Reader/Writer (PNY)

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Lawson
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > I have a PNY USB SmartMedia reader which works excellently with 5.x > with 8M media, but which blows up with 32M media. I'd assume this is > due to improper geometry or something, but I really have no idea. > Insert-reinsert produces no change in results,

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:37:21PM -0500, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: > > > ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process > > > ] signal mask removal. > > > > We can ad

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats the > > ultimate reason to do it

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats the > > ul

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: > > ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process > > ] signal mask removal. > > We can add new mailing lists really easily now - it takes about 20-30 seconds. > Would it b

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > No. It gives the ability for a thread to block on a syscall without > stalling the entire system. Just try using mysqld on a system using libc_r > and heavy disk IO. You can't select() on a read() from disk. Thats the > ultimate reason to do it. The SMP parallelism is a bon

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeff Roberson wrote: > Perhaps I should start quoting posix. I wonder what my legal rights > are given the copyright. hm.. Educational use. FWIW, my reading of POSIX.1 says "Per process mask, per threads masks". The real question is "What happens when I kill -9/-15 a libthr process with a lot o

Re: LOR on libthr exit (iirc)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > I think it was a libthr linked app after I killed it: Yeah, this is a problem with the thread single exit and suspend code. I haven't fixed it yet. Thanks for the report. > lock order reversal > 1st 0xc679d248 process lock (process lock) @ /local/us

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew R. Reiter
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Peter Wemm wrote: :Terry Lambert wrote: : :> KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: :> ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process :> ] signal mask removal. : :We can add new mailing lists really easily now - it takes about 20-30 seconds. :Would it be worth

Re: LOR in PCM

2003-04-02 Thread Gordon Tetlow
I just wanted to apologize for my poor taste in the subject. It wasn't really called for. -gordon On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:46:28PM -0800, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > Just thought I would report it: > > lock order reversal > 1st 0xc61f5940 pcm0 (sound softc) @ /local/usr.src/sys/dev/sound/pci/cmi.c

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > KSE mailing list, starting Monday or so: > ] We still haven't heard from jeff with regard to the process > ] signal mask removal. We can add new mailing lists really easily now - it takes about 20-30 seconds. Would it be worth adding a freebsd-threads and/or freebsd-kse typ

LOR on libthr exit (iirc)

2003-04-02 Thread Gordon Tetlow
I think it was a libthr linked app after I killed it: lock order reversal 1st 0xc679d248 process lock (process lock) @ /local/usr.src/sys/kern/kern_exit. c:134 2nd 0xc05394a0 Giant (Giant) @ /local/usr.src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:142 Stack backtrace: backtrace(c04e759f,c05394a0,c04e3f7f,c04e3f7f,c0

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in > > > libthr? Might not be safe to convert everything up front, in > > > a rush of eager enthusiasm... >

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will > > be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are > > saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further > > down the system call interface than the

Re: sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
"Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)" wrote: > I'm having a problem with -current on a ProLiant BL10e blade server. On > the blade server, we use a serial console on sio0/COM1. This works > perfectly with 4.8, but for some reason, the sio driver doesn't see COM1 > at all, and assigns COM2 resources to sio0

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > [ CC list trimmed somewhat ] > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > > > > > > Then set the mask to be the same on all threads in the process. The ma

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: > On 02-Apr-2003 Jens Rehsack wrote: > > I really think splitting the base in some sub-parts would it make much > > easier to do NO_SENDMAIL on my own. So I had to remove each not required > > file separately. That's no good solution. > > [stepping back a bit ] > > I find an

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
[ CC list trimmed somewhat ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > > > > Then set the mask to be the same on all threads in the process. The mask > > > is set in swapcontext though so it seems reason

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
John Baldwin wrote: > > On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > > The only way I see for disk I/O to be involved in Mozilla is in > > local cache? You can turn that off. > > Umm, the idea here is to actually make threaded programs > _useful_. Not to require that you trim their functionality > dow

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > The only way I see for disk I/O to be involved in Mozilla is in > local cache? You can turn that off. Umm, the idea here is to actually make threaded programs _useful_. Not to require that you trim their functionality down before we handle them in a sane wa

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > > > > > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > > > [ Subjecte: R

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will be on > > underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are saying that the > > interleaved I/O is more important, further down the system call > > interface than the

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > > > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry L

Re: mbuf LOR

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Nate Lawson writes: > I was testing some changes to make fxp MPSAFE and got a LOR in allocating > the mbuf cluster and then finally a panic when trying to dereference the > cluster header. Is the mbuf system MPSAFE? Is it ok to call m_getcl > with a device lock held (but not Giant)? > > T

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Also, any ETA on the per process si

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > Note: This should have been posted to -questions, not -current. Please read the other replies before sending your own. His sendmail.cf was empty and the problem was quickly diagnosed and fixed a while ago. -- John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <>< http://

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Williams
> > > evantd> Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I > > > evantd> can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I > > > evantd> upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by > > > evantd> default) and it's output. > > > > > > evantd> # sendm

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-04-02 23:28, Dan Naumov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 >Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >>> >>> I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the >>> one hand, people are

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Jens Rehsack
Terry Lambert wrote: Jens Rehsack wrote: John Baldwin wrote: First, core@ is not the appropriate body for that type of request. Both current@ and arch@ are much better targets. Second, is NO_SENDMAIL + the postfix port inadequate? The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base ins

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Note: This should have been posted to -questions, not -current. Evan Dower wrote: > Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I can't say > exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I upgraded to > RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by default) and it's ou

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Schultz wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > If you look over the historical cases of this discussion, > > you'll see that the answer always comes down to "make the > > system more modular, so people can replace XXX with YYY and > > quit bothering us; please send patches". 8-) 8-). > > Thanks

LOR in PCM (big suprise there)

2003-04-02 Thread Gordon Tetlow
Just thought I would report it: lock order reversal 1st 0xc61f5940 pcm0 (sound softc) @ /local/usr.src/sys/dev/sound/pci/cmi.c:520 2nd 0xc6209e80 pcm0:play:0 (pcm channel) @ /local/usr.src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/channel.c:440 Stack backtrace: backtrace(c04e759f,c6209e80,c61a9b54,c06a2127,c06a21a5) a

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Scott Long
Terry Lambert wrote: leafy wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Not X11 clients. The X11 server. -- Terry

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: > leafy wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: >> > Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? >> >> Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. > > Not X11 clients. > > The X11 server.

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > leafy wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? > > > > Someone reported success with KDE, so it sh

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
leafy wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? > > Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Not X11 clients. The X11 server. -- Terry _

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Jens Rehsack wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > > First, core@ is not the appropriate body for that type of request. > > Both current@ and arch@ are much better targets. Second, is > > NO_SENDMAIL + the postfix port inadequate? > > The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Dan Naumov wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 > Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> > >> > I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the >> > one hand, people are always wanting

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Dan Naumov wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Because syslog is unreliable. See "BUGS" section of the man page. > > Don't you think that if syslog is unreliable, then it should be fixed ? Sure. You should definitely fix it; you'll need to figure out a way to know whether we've run out of mbufs,

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Also, any ETA on the per process signa

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in > > > libthr? Might not be sa

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On (2003/04/02 07:38), Terry Lambert wrote: > > Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will > > be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are > > saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further > > down the system call interface than

more robust handling of removable devices in GEOM.

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This commit (hopefully) improves the situation when a media is removed quickly after it appeared. (A number of people have reported this with USB devices). There are still a couple of minor races. Poul-Henning In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >phk 2003/04/02 1

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > > > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Also, any ETA on the per process signal

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Oleg V. Nauman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:26:03AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > evantd> Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I > > evantd> can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I > > evantd> upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by > > evantd>

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Jun Su wrote: > > > [ ... 1:1 kernel threads implementation ... ] > > > > A benchmark would be interested. > > This request doesn't make sense. > > The primary performance reasoning behind a 1:1 kernel threading > implementation, relative to the user space single kernel e

Something in NFS server calling vrele() not vput()?

2003-04-02 Thread Robert Watson
Unfortunately, I don't have too much information here. The scenario is as follows: cboss: NFS file/build server crash2: NFS diskless client I built world on cboss; I then did installworld in crash2. I intended to installworld to a DESTDIR on a local disk on crash2, but I failed to mount it fir

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] > [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in > > > libthr? Might not be safe

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:27:04AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter Schultz writes: > : I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. > > Request denied. > > 1) you made no case for it: Everybdoy knows this is a contentious >issue, yet n

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Julian St.
Am Mi, 2003-04-02 um 22.28 schrieb Dan Naumov: > I think being able to update just about ANYTHING, except the kernel > without the need for a reboot is one of the best features of Linux and > actual advantages it has over FreeBSD. I see no real barriers at updating while running FreeBSD in compar

Re: IBM T30 USB issue: kernel: uhub2: device problem, disabling

2003-04-02 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Dear Hackers, [ for archive purposes ] all the USB stack debug traces are available at http://www.geocities.com/m_evmenkin/usb/ i also managed to get USB dumps from W2K that runs on the same laptop. http://www.geocities.com/m_evmenkin/usb/USB_HUB.LOG trace when W2K attach the second hub ins

mbuf LOR

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Lawson
I was testing some changes to make fxp MPSAFE and got a LOR in allocating the mbuf cluster and then finally a panic when trying to dereference the cluster header. Is the mbuf system MPSAFE? Is it ok to call m_getcl with a device lock held (but not Giant)? The lock reversal was: 1. fxp softc lock

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Jeff Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in > > libthr? Might not be safe to convert everything up front, in > > a rush of

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:28:53PM +0300, Dan Naumov wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 > Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > > I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the > > > one ha

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Robert Watson wrote: > > You should notice marked interactivity and UI latency improvements with > > threaded GUI apps over libc_r because GUI threads will generally no longer > > be blocked when disk I/O and blocking I/O occurs. For example, > > applica

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the > > one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system > > up into

sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)
I'm having a problem with -current on a ProLiant BL10e blade server. On the blade server, we use a serial console on sio0/COM1. This works perfectly with 4.8, but for some reason, the sio driver doesn't see COM1 at all, and assigns COM2 resources to sio0. Any pointers to where I should look woul

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Harti Brandt
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Dan Naumov wrote: DN>On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) DN>John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DN> DN>> I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the DN>> one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system DN>> up into small pack

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: ... > [stepping back a bit ] > > I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the > one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system > up into small packages for each little piece of the base. O

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the > one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system > up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the > other h

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Maybe this page could also contain an option to show the list of > files, and maybe even a "backwards" option to tell which options > are involved in a particular file or directorys existence. > > So, to answer you question: I like it as it is

Some ports not -current compatible?

2003-04-02 Thread Scott R.
I tried soliciting ports@ and questions@ for answers to these questions, but no answers were volunteered which leads me to believe that these issues may be specific to -current. I'm hoping someone can give me a clue as to what the problem is or at least give me a pointer (have searched extensi

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Baldwin writes: >I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the >one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system >up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the >other hand, one of FreeBSD's selling po

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread The Anarcat
On Wed Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > I really think splitting the base in some sub-parts would it make much > > easier to do NO_SENDMAIL on my own. So I had to remove each not required > > file separately. That's no good solution. > > [stepping back a bit ] > > I

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Jens Rehsack wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> On 02-Apr-2003 Peter Schultz wrote: >> >>>I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. A guy and I from tcbug were just >>>trying to fix his postfix installation, he does not know what happened, >>>it just stopped working. There would not hav

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Michael W . Lucas wrote: > Thank you very much! Sorry about the breakage. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justic

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