Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > At least in the case of the base system, it should be easy to link > all programs that actually use the resolver with -lresolv. Is > there some standard that says that the resolver is an integral > part of the C library, such that separating the two would break > compatibili

Crash upon exit from X

2002-10-30 Thread Vallo Kallaste
Hi Yesterday I had crash just after exit from X and KDE3. Sources and kernel are from 24 Oct. ~9:30 GMT. Script started on Thu Oct 31 09:45:34 2002 bash-2.05b# gdb -k /usr/src/sys/i386/compile/Myhakas-5.0-SMP/kernel.debug /usr/c rash/vmcore.1 GNU gdb 5.2.1 (FreeBSD) Copyright 2002 Free Software

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > : > This > : > example shows that we don't support it in printf, since the above > : > example does ***NOT*** give +Inf, but rather whatever 2*DBL_MAX is. [ ... ] > Terry you are wrong. This has to do with the RANGE not the PRECISION > of the floating point number. It

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > David Schultz wrote: > > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to make > > > > /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* approach would > > > > solve the "oops!" and other foot shooting problems. > > > > > > Y

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to make > > > /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* approach would > > > solve the "oops!" and other foot shooting problems. > > > > Yes please. Our root filesystem space requirements are too

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Alexander Kabaev wrote: > If last weak will win, the normal case when Xthrstub is loaded _after_ libc_r > will break. The only way to really fix this is to export pthread_ symbols as > strong in libc_r. Exporting them as weak sounds like is a mistake which > should be fixed. You people keep sayin

Re: Dynamic growth of the buffer and buffer page reclaim

2002-10-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. You are exercising the system in a way that breaks the LRU algorithm. The buffer cache, without your patch, is carefully tuned to deal with this case... that is why vm_page_dontneed() exists and why the vm_object code calls it. This cre

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > This : > example shows that we don't support it in printf, since the above : > example does ***NOT*** give +Inf, but rather whatever 2*DBL_MAX is. : : That would be +Inf for double values... a 53 bit +Inf. B

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > : The compiler must emit instructions to truncate and set flags, as > : well as generating pseudo-exceptions (should they be called for) > : in the case that the storage is in registers bigger than the memory > : backing them. IT doesn't do this. > > I think I don't unde

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Kientzle
Nate Lawson wrote: > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, ... Terry Lambert wrote: Move the resolver code out to ibresolv.so, ... Peter Wemm: We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. Peter, Could

ia64 tinderbox failure

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
-- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

i386 tinderbox failure

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: Dynamic growth of the buffer and buffer page reclaim

2002-10-30 Thread Seigo Tanimura
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:54:57 -0800 (PST), Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: dillon> I can demonstrate the issue with a simple test. Create a large file dillon> with dd, larger then physical memory: dillon> dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1m count=4096# create a 4G file. dill

Re: disklabel with fresh drive

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : I'm trying to install fresh 5.0-current from self-baked ISO. : : But when I select fresh drive at "Configure" -> "Label" in sysinstall, : sysinstall stalls (title, table, synopsis is printed, but no Part : ro

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Doug Rabson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Move the resolver code out to ibresolv.so, and link libc.so > > > against libresolv.so so that legacy applications are happy, as > > > long as they are compiled shared. Non-network apps can ignore > > > most of it. Internal use of some of the bigg

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter Wemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Terry Lambert wrote: : > Nate Lawson wrote: : > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text : > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, : > > please s

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:25:12 -0500 (EST) Daniel Eischen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If last weak will win, the normal case when Xthrstub is loaded > > _after_ libc_r will break. The only way to really fix this is to > > export pthread_ symbols as strong in libc_r. Exporting them as weak > > sou

Re: disklabel with fresh drive

2002-10-30 Thread Nate Lawson
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > I'm trying to install fresh 5.0-current from self-baked ISO. > > But when I select fresh drive at "Configure" -> "Label" in sysinstall, > sysinstall stalls (title, table, synopsis is printed, but no Part > rows). I can do Alt-F2 even if main screen canno

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Loren James Rittle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > > Use thr-objc not thr-posix. thr-objc maps to the gcc generic thread > abstration layer and is better supported these days. It will also > correctly disable overhead related to thre

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Loren James Rittle
Use thr-objc not thr-posix. thr-objc maps to the gcc generic thread abstration layer and is better supported these days. It will also correctly disable overhead related to threading when a program is single-threaded using weak symbols. thr-posix doesn't do that... Regards, Loren To Unsubscrib

burncd hangs after 'blank'

2002-10-30 Thread Ray Kohler
Sorry if this is old news, but I've just discovered a problem in burncd. If I do a 'blank' the operation completes but burncd then hangs. I have a gdb session that shows the situation quite nicely: when burncd does CDRIOCGETPROGRESS to get the number for the progress bar, it always reports 0, a

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:51:48 -0800 > Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > NO. > > > > If you have a library that's linked to a library containing string > > symbols, then no other library gets a chance to replace to symbols > > with its ow

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > You need to link the library against libc_r.so instead of libXThrStub.so. > > Probably not. Doing that breaks the existing 'feature' of being able to > use X11 in entirely non-threaded programs. I'm not

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:51:48 -0800 Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NO. > > If you have a library that's linked to a library containing string > symbols, then no other library gets a chance to replace to symbols > with its own strong symbols. The first strong symbol always wins, > and

disklabel with fresh drive

2002-10-30 Thread Jun Kuriyama
I'm trying to install fresh 5.0-current from self-baked ISO. But when I select fresh drive at "Configure" -> "Label" in sysinstall, sysinstall stalls (title, table, synopsis is printed, but no Part rows). I can do Alt-F2 even if main screen cannot accept any command keys. When I select already

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current ] > > > Maybe the workaround for now is to make the symbols in libXThrStub.so > > > weak? > > > > They *are* weak Terry. The problem is that every bloody definition is weak > > so

Followup: questions about the performance of current

2002-10-30 Thread Ray Kohler
Ok, so based on the promising response I got to my original 3 questions, I went ahead and upgraded. It went _very_ smoothly, with the help of UPDATING and some experience with this sort of thing. No make errors at any point. The only issues I hit were my fault, like forgetting to run mergemaste

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: [rude snipe deleted...] Sorry, that was un-called-for (and was intended to be a private message to Warner). -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > I think I don't understand what you are saying at all. It doesn't > seem top jive with the rest of the messages in this thread. Of course not, it's Terry ``Irrelevant Tangent'' Lambert you're taking about. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe f

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:23:48PM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > Gordon Tetlow wrote: > > >On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > > >>I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > >>awkward. In particular, ... "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does > >>not actually stop the nfs

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : "M. Warner Losh" wrote: : > And there's a comment: : > * 64-bit precision often gives bad results with high level languages : > * because it makes the results of calculations depend on whether : > * intermedi

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > > For what its worth, doing this (defining strong pthread_* symbols in > > > libc_r) makes everything work fine, with or without libXThrStub. > > > > No, this would be bad. There's some justification for not > > doing this, in allowing programs linked againts libraries linke

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > You can't have a library that's sort of threaded and sort of not > > threaded: pick one. > > Yes you can - libX11 is *thread safe* but doesn't create threads. When a > real pthreads implementation is present, libX11 uses its implementation of > mutex, cond etc. to ensure its

alpha tinderbox failure

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -- >>> stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > > Note that dynamically-linked executables take significantly longer to > > exec than statically-linked ones. > > Indeed yes. Running ld-elf.so.1 isn't free. Also, calling PIC libraries > isn't free either. Not only that, but even fork(2) is slower when you come > *from* a

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > I think the only sensible solution to this problem is for libraries which > > > provide an actual pthreads implementation (rather than a set of stubs) to > > > define strong symbols. Wierd debugging wrappers can still be achieved

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > You need to link the library against libc_r.so instead of libXThrStub.so. > > > > Probably not. Doing that breaks the existing 'feature' of being able to > > use X11 in entirely non-threaded programs. I'm not sure whether that is

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
"M. Warner Losh" wrote: > And there's a comment: > * 64-bit precision often gives bad results with high level languages > * because it makes the results of calculations depend on whether > * intermediate values are stored in memory or in FPU registers. > which seems like a compiler issue, not an

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other f

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other f

Re: Lack of real long double support

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bruce Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : The reasons are the same as they used to be: incomplete language support : and incomplete library support. Language support is being completed but : is far from here yet. See the paper referenced in Loren's repl

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > I think the only sensible solution to this problem is for libraries which > > provide an actual pthreads implementation (rather than a set of stubs) to > > define strong symbols. Wierd debugging wrappers can still be achieved via > > some dlopen/dlsym hackery. > > For what i

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > > You need to link the library against libc_r.so instead of libXThrStub.so. > > Probably not. Doing that breaks the existing 'feature' of being able to > use X11 in entirely non-threaded programs. I'm not sure whether that is > acceptable. It also stops programs from being abl

Problems with 5.0 current release in case of multiple PCI busses ...

2002-10-30 Thread Manish Lachwani
Hello, I am using a Force 4203 motherboard which has multiple PCIX busses. Devices on PCIX busses > 0 are not detected. This is the dmesg with ACPI enabled. Note that I have actually put the printf's for the vendor id's and device id's in the bge driver since the BCM5701 NIC does not get detected.

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Oct 30), Doug Rabson said: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > > We've been over this before. To make this work right, we need to > > make /bin and /sbin dynamically linked. NetBSD's /rescue/* > > approach would solve the "oops!" and other foot shooting problems. > >

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 08:55:05PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:17 -0800 by Marcel Moolenaar > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: >> /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such file \ >> or directory >+> [snip

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by tex t > > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > >

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > Well, it must have the same problem with Solaris then. Somehow, > > you've got to force it to link libc_r before libc... > > The only way I can see to do that is to link libX11, libXt and friends > against libc_r. What this com

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/li

rc.d and sysctl.conf

2002-10-30 Thread Bill Fenner
/etc/rc runs /etc/rc.sysctl twice: one "early", after mounting filesystems, reseeding the random number generator and adding a swap file, and before running rc.serial, rc.pccard, rc.network. one "late", after network_pass4 but before raising the securelevel. This was added in response to http:/

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > > > > > Well I made a libc with this pa

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Kientzle
Gordon Tetlow wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite awkward. In particular, ... "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does not actually stop the nfsd process. ... ... I've found this behavior to be quite annoying. I'll see if I

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Nate Lawson wrote: > > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > > please submit a patch. > > > > > > http://www.roo

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > > > Well I made a libc with this patch and rebuilt XFree86-4-libraries without > > libXThrStub

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
[The crucial question is hidden somewhere...] On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 08:55:05PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > Sent: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:17 -0800 by Marcel Moolenaar > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > + > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18:

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > > > the omission in libc. > > > > > > > > I only a

Re: questions about the state of current

2002-10-30 Thread Colin Harford
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 11:43 AM, Doug Rabson wrote: I compiled kde3 a week or so ago on my laptop running -current and it is now my new desktop, so I think reports of kde being totally hosed are a bit exagerated or perhaps dated. Hmm. I compiled it a few days ago and it was qui

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: > Nate Lawson wrote: > > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > > please submit a patch. > > > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/lib_size.out > > Move the resolv

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Gordon Tetlow writes: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > > awkward. In particular, especially for people who > > have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's > > rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop"

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > > the omission in libc. > > > > > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used >

Re: libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Nate Lawson wrote: > Here is a link to the size of various components of libc, sorted by text > size. If you can find some way to reduce or even remove some of this, > please submit a patch. > > http://www.root.org/~nate/freebsd/lib_size.out Move the resolver code out to ibresolv.so, and link

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > Patch looks correct. > > > > Please commit? 8-). > > Well I made a libc with this patch and rebuilt XFree86-4-libraries without > libXThrStub but I ran into problems compiling the clients. The clients >

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Kenneth Culver
> The systems hostname was changed between Aug & Oct, but it's the > same laptop, a P3-800 w/256MB memory. > > Thoughts? > I have not really noticed a performance difference here. In fact with WITNESS and INVARIANTS disabled, I find that -CURRENT seems to be a bit faster than -STABLE. Ken To Uns

libc size

2002-10-30 Thread Nate Lawson
After a discussion on cvs-all regarding size of our libc, I wrote a quick script to see where the problems are. A cursory glance at its output shows there are numerous things we can improve, including: * setproctitle(3) uses 4k of static scratch buffers when it could allocate these on the s

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Daniel Eischen wrote: > > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > > the omission in libc. > > > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used > > (or would use). > > Makes sense. > > Actually, it loo

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Terry Lambert wrote: > You're right... I confused the "Live FS" with the "Live CD", > which is a seperate image distribution. Sorry for the bum > information. FWIW, on the original question of "what is it for", I personally tend to use it to create chroot environments for hosted builds across Fre

make relase, new mode of breakage...

2002-10-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Fresh -current, fresh fracture: cd /usr/src/release/..; make TARGET_ARCH=i386 TARGET=i386 -j12 -DNO_MAKEDB_RUN -DMAKE_KERBEROS5 SUBDIR_OVERRIDE="kerberos5 lib/libpam lib/libssh secure/usr.bi n/ssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd" buildworld distributeworld DISTDIR=/R/stage/trees

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
John Baldwin wrote: > > It's an installed FreeBSD that is on a CDROM. It depends on your > > BIOS being able to boot the FS as if it were a hard disk image. > > Huh? It doesn't do that. If it is bootable, then it boots into > sysinstall just like CD #1. What it is useful for is to be used > as

Re: RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Gordon Tetlow
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:50:45AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite > awkward. In particular, especially for people who > have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's > rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does > not actually stop the nfsd pro

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Chad David wrote: > In your experience, how long is the delay between gcc-patches accepting > something and FreeBSD picking it up, ie. is it worth the effort? Jeremey Allison (of SAMBA) and I made patches to ACAP to get it to compile under G++, and that required patches to G++ 2.9.3 to support per

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 30-Oct-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: > Juan Francisco Rodriguez Hervella wrote: >> I've seen this looking for ISO images >> of FreeBSD-5.0-DP1: >> >> 5.0-DP1-disc2.iso - 5.0 Developer Preview #1 - live filesystem. >> >> is it possible to work with this filesystem ? >> I mean, what can be do

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Chad David wrote: > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > always be backed out, if anyone starts complaining about them > > breaking things, so I think it's kind of silly for you to ask > > for permission

RCng Awkwardness

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Kientzle
I find the standard arguments used by RCng quite awkward. In particular, especially for people who have worked with SysV-style init scripts, it's rather surprising that "/etc/rc.d/nfsd stop" does not actually stop the nfsd process. Likewise, 'start' doesn't actually start the specified system. I

Re: What's this for ?

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Juan Francisco Rodriguez Hervella wrote: > I've seen this looking for ISO images > of FreeBSD-5.0-DP1: > > 5.0-DP1-disc2.iso - 5.0 Developer Preview #1 - live filesystem. > > is it possible to work with this filesystem ? > I mean, what can be done ? is it auto-bootable or > I need to boot f

Re: [PATCH: libc]Re: gnome on current

2002-10-30 Thread Terry Lambert
Daniel Eischen wrote: > > That's bizarre... it's defined in libc_r, so there's no reason for > > the omission in libc. > > I only added stubs that I thought the implementation of libc used > (or would use). Makes sense. Actually, it looks like most of this could be done with macros, including th

Re: questions about the state of current

2002-10-30 Thread Doug Rabson
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 29-Oct-2002 clark shishido wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:40:53AM -0700, Raymond Kohler wrote: > >> 1) How is the speed compared to stable? I remember it being just too slow some >months ago and > >> was wondering how it was improving. > >> >

Re: burncd/cdcontrol

2002-10-30 Thread Nate Lawson
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Soeren Schmidt wrote: > Hmm, it is true that I could use ATAPI command directly in burncd, and > I actually have a version in the lab that is ~75% converted to that, I'd love to see that once you're ready to release. > but that is not the only issue here. The ATAPI cd driver

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Chad David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:22:21AM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > > * De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] > > [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > > > On Wed, Oct 30

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:22:21AM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] > [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:09:16AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > > disabled? I don't much care about my other patches, I just want > > to know who the 10 othe

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:16:26AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > No there is no reason, and yes the changes are generic. I don't really > expect there to be many (if any) changes to libobjc that are not generic, > so if gcc-patches is the place to go, that is where I'll go. It is. > In your experi

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2002-10-30 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Objective-C threads ] > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > > disabled? I don't much care about my other patc

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:23:53AM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > Which brings us back to my original question... why are ObjC threads > disabled? I don't much care about my other patches, I just want > to know who the 10 others are who will break if we enable threads, > and how to fix that breakag

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:23:00AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > > alway

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Hiten Pandya
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote the words in effect of: > [ ... ] > > I have not seen a commit since that time --4+ hours. > > everything else compiled; obviously a lot of incompletes > without libc Hey there. Could you please do a `make inclu

Re: libc in CURRENT fails as of 1200 GMT today

2002-10-30 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 04:48:23PM +, Daniel Flickinger wrote: > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_compare.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_create.c:30:18: uuid.h: No such file or directory > /usr/src/lib/libc/uuid/uuid_create_nil.c:31:18: uuid.h: No such

Re: adaptec scsi - seagate da -- current

2002-10-30 Thread Justin T. Gibbs
> Hi, > > I am running current cvsuped within this week. I have an adaptec > builtin scsi controller and a seagate drive attached to it and > after every bootup as soon as there is heavy disk activity > the drive gets disabled for 1 or 2 minutes and meanwhile all > functionality RELATED to disk

Re: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : < said: : > I used to use one. The dc(4) driver was broken a while back and : > now has issues with this card that it didn't used to have, but it : > should mostly work (it just needs to be ifconfig'd down an

RE: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > I used to use one. The dc(4) driver was broken a while back and > now has issues with this card that it didn't used to have, but it > should mostly work (it just needs to be ifconfig'd down and up when > it freezes sometimes). You do need the dc(4) driver in your kernel > or kldload th

Re: Wine-2002.10.07 port on FreeBSD 5.0-current

2002-10-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Gerald Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Poul-Henning, your patch to src/sys/i386/include/reg.h > > revision 1.28 > date: 2002/10/20 20:48:56; author: phk; state: Exp; lines: +6 -9 > Change the definition of the debugging registers to be an array, so > that we can index into it, rath

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:19:43AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > That said, if you want to make it work for you, I'm behind you > > 100%: I think any changes you want to make are OK; they can > > always be backed out, if anyone star

Re: Wine-2002.10.07 port on FreeBSD 5.0-current

2002-10-30 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Krzysztof [iso-8859-2] Jêdruczyk wrote: > Yesterday I tried to upgrade wine on my FreeBSD-current box. It didn't > compile until I changed following in server/context_i386.c (looks like > this is because of commit of 1.28 version of src/sys/i386/include/reg.h) Thanks for the h

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:17:07AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:02:16PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:11:56PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:09:41PM -0700, Chad David wrote: > > > > Does anybody know if there is a g

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Craig Rodrigues
Hi, I don't think many people in the FreeBSD community use Objective-C, hence the apparent lack of a maintainer. The proper way to submit patches to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list at the FSF GCC project is to follow the procedures documented at: http://gcc.gnu.org/contribute.html If you are

Re: Objective-C threads

2002-10-30 Thread Chad David
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 11:52:56PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Chad David wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:04:21PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Chad David wrote: > > > > Does anybody know if there is a good reason why libobjc is built with > > > > thr-single.c? > > > > > > Historical th

Re: smbfs broken?

2002-10-30 Thread Boris Popov
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Vitaly Markitantov wrote: > When i tries to copy a file from smbfs share mounted by mount_smbfs > i get an error: > cp: ./filename: Bad address > > But when i copy a file to share i get kernel panic like this: > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Ear

Re: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 29-Oct-2002 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Garrett Wollman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >: Has anyone managed to make one of these work? I get the following >: messages: >: >: cardbus1: Expecting link target, got 0x59 >: cardbus1: Resource not specified i

RE: NEWCARD and "Linksys PCM200 ver. 2" CardBus Ethernet

2002-10-30 Thread John Baldwin
On 29-Oct-2002 Garrett Wollman wrote: > Has anyone managed to make one of these work? I get the following > messages: > > cardbus1: Expecting link target, got 0x59 > cardbus1: Resource not specified in CIS: id=10, size=100 > cardbus1: Resource not specified in CIS: id=14, size=400 > cardbus1: (

Re: [CFR] ipfilter IPv6 support in rc

2002-10-30 Thread Ronald van der Pol
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 00:38:39 +0900, Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote: > Please review it. If there is no objection, I'll commit it at next > weekend. Reviewed -stable, looks OK. Would be nice to have this fix. Thanks. rvdp To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebs

Re: speed of -CURRENT [was: questions about the state of current]

2002-10-30 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 07:48:14AM -0500, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > I am experiencing a really noticable slower startup time on my very > > recent-CURRENT laptop for almost all programs. The problem seems to be > > in getting info in the cache, because it disappears when I start the > > same prog

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