Re: runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?)

1999-02-09 Thread Andre Albsmeier
On Wed, 10-Feb-1999 at 17:01:00 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 > > package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). > > runsocks works fine for me in socksifying the stuff I

runsocks (Was Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?)

1999-02-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > 2.2.x for a while. (I have problems using runsocks from the socks5 > package, but yet haven't figured out if it's my fault). runsocks works fine for me in socksifying the stuff I use it for (FTP clients, simple TCP apps, etc). What are you having prob

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Andre Albsmeier
On Tue, 09-Feb-1999 at 17:00:15 -0700, John Galbraith wrote: > > I meant "who's stopping you from committing the driver", not "who's > > stopping you from committing the driver to 2.2". I too think 2.2 > > should be left to die in peace. > > Well, before it is committed I would like to see one

Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Nate Williams
> > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on > > somethings I did a long time ago. > > Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) In defense of Steven, he was the 'original' author of -C, whether or not you used his code or not. He pushed for this lon

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Andre Albsmeier
On Tue, 09-Feb-1999 at 14:04:55 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I would greatly appreciate to see this thing go into the tree. I > > still have to build a measurement system in our lab (you remeber, > > John :-)) and people there are talking about linux already :-(. > > > > Don't shoot me, but I

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread John Fieber
On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > If /etc/rc.conf only contains changes from the defaults when > man something_or_other tells the user to find and edit > something_or_other_flags in /etc/rc.conf the entry won't be > there to edit. Why must it contain only changes? Is there any reason it couldn

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread jack
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, John Fieber wrote: > Lets not forget that with the latest round of changes, the > rc.conf in 3.1 will behave exactly as it has in the past. Think > about it. rc.conf was a "touchees" file in the past and it is a > "touchees" file now. The only difference is the addition of a

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :As Jordan pointed out, this gets very messy very quickly. > : > :> I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if > :> it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into > :> it, not just one of them. > :

Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > Where did the "-C" option for install(1) come from? bde pick up on > somethings I did a long time ago. Uh, no, wrong. (Speaking as the creator of `install -C'.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same woll...@lcs.mit.edu | O S

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
But, I would not expect/allow "defaults" to be the mechanism which includes the "real" values. Perhaps this should be pushed into the script that will source both. On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > The only difference is the addition of a "no touchees" reference copy > > in /etc/defaul

Re: 3.1?

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
"Gary D. Margiotta" writes: > Don't mean to be a pest, or a PITA by asking this, but is the 3.1 branch > still scheduled for the middle of this month? I haven't seen much on the > list recently about it, but probably haven't been paying enough attention > to it tho... Thanks! That's because we'r

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
I tend to prefer that the editable knobs be kept together. The uneditable scripts and the defaults can go together. If you are going to divide things, I don't see why you should put uneditable scripts with editable knobs and apart from uneditable knobs. On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, RT wrote: > I kinda like

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
Steve Kargl wrote: >Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or caddy). >mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /mnt >pkg_add dhcp >umount /mnt Hmmm... Lets see: 1) Drop FreeBSD CD-ROM into tray on server 2) mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /cdrom 3) [NFS export /cdrom] 4) Boot client from floppy. so far so good. 5) Configure c

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site (solution)

1999-02-09 Thread Thomas Dean
I agree with this approach. However, I believe this is OBE. Jkh just committed the changes to cvs. Having the default values at the head of rc makes more sense. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread RT
-Original Message- From: Matthew Dillon To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: Jordan K. Hubbard ; Matthew Dillon ; David Wolfskill ; curr...@freebsd.org Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead. >:I like the idea of having all the "default knobs"

HEADS UP: lpt driver going away

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
In a few minutes, I will remove the lpt(4) driver from the -CURRENT source tree. The reason for this removal is that the lpt driver has been obsoleted by the ppc, nlpt, plip and ppi drivers, and was starting to rot. Anybody who has not yet done so is advised to update their kernel configurations

Re: some woes about rc.conf.site (solution)

1999-02-09 Thread RT
I'd have to agree with another message. Merging the defaults into rc sounds to me like the best solution, then have rc.conf handle the changes. I personally prefer to hand edit this file. This is coming from a user on 3.0-stable however... .conf normally means that it should be edited, not left

Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Steve Kargl writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who > > love to whine about practically anything we do, on the assumption that > > they know better, even though they never do any work of their own. > [...] > Finally, when do I

Re: DHCP, install, security, ICMP_BANDLIM

1999-02-09 Thread Brian Feldman
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not > into the GENERIC kernel? > > If the install required the use of dhcp, sysinstall should yell > about having to rebuild the kernel with bpf-device in. > > On the other hand, the securit

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:33:21 EST, John Fieber wrote: > The only difference is the addition of a "no touchees" reference copy > in /etc/defaults that gets sourced before rc.conf so any essential > variables introduced in an upgrade will have a safety fallaback in > case you don't properly upgrade

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Brian Feldman
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > >> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, > >> which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting > >> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS * Note this. > > > Union mounts do not work, and I believe

Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Steve Kargl
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Sheldon Hearn writes: > > Anyway, 30 minutes later, I've figured it out. You're endorsing FreeBSD > > crippleware. I sincerely hope that your attitude is _not_ endorsed by > > the core team. > > Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who >

3.1?

1999-02-09 Thread Gary D. Margiotta
Hello, Don't mean to be a pest, or a PITA by asking this, but is the 3.1 branch still scheduled for the middle of this month? I haven't seen much on the list recently about it, but probably haven't been paying enough attention to it tho... Thanks!

Re: FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Sheldon Hearn writes: > Anyway, 30 minutes later, I've figured it out. You're endorsing FreeBSD > crippleware. I sincerely hope that your attitude is _not_ endorsed by > the core team. Steve isn't even a committer. He's one of those oh-so-many people who love to whine about practically anything

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Jason George
>From: "Daniel C. Sobral" > >>Steve Kargl wrote: >> >> > > The plan is to make a boot floppy / boot CDROM with a DHCP client on it. >> >> Content-Type: text/BLOAT >> >> These should be left has ports. > >I disagree. It is very common nowadays to need to extract your IP >address through DHCP. N

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread John Fieber
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, jack wrote: > On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 > > distribution. Bad Bad Bad. > > I have to agree. Let's not forget that there are over 30 man > pages with references to /etc/rc.conf.

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
I understand the scaling issue. However, I like to keep related things in one place. Perhaps we need to move ALL the rc files into a common directory. As for the "read-only" argument, I recommend, for those who wish to separate them, symbolic links from the read only area to a writable area. When t

FW: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Steven Vetzal
In addition to Irix 6.5, you should also add Irix 6.3 and 6.4 to that list. It's been there since 6.3 first shipped on the O2s in '97. -steve From: owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Fieber Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 12:41 PM To:

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Should I send it in with this "send-pr" command myself, or should I Please, thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

HEADS UP: devstat changes

1999-02-09 Thread Kenneth D. Merry
I have just commited changes to devstat(9) that will require recompilation of the following things: libdevstat [ do this first! ] systat iostat vmstat rpc.rstatd You'll have to recompile those things in order to use them with the new kernel changes. You will probably also have to recompile any

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread jack
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > I think it's a *BAD* idea to change rc.conf operation for the 3.1 > distribution. Bad Bad Bad. I have to agree. Let's not forget that there are over 30 man pages with references to /etc/rc.conf. There is already enough confusion over wcd in

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread John Galbraith
> I meant "who's stopping you from committing the driver", not "who's > stopping you from committing the driver to 2.2". I too think 2.2 > should be left to die in peace. Well, before it is committed I would like to see one of you FreeBSD wizards to check it over for a half hour first. My expe

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Actually, I would. I would prefer to see 2.2.x left to die in peace. The vinum import to that branch already has me on edge enough as it is. - Jordan > Andre Albsmeier writes: > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems whic

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
"Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Andre Albsmeier writes: > > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > > > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > > > for me to use it on production machines. > > No, 2.2 is dead now exept for bug fixes. > >

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:As Jordan pointed out, this gets very messy very quickly. : :> I don't think we should have an /etc/defaults/ directory, but if :> it is insisted on then *ALL* the read-only files should be moved into :> it, not just one of them. : :All of the files that currently mix read-only and rea

Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-09 Thread Christopher Masto
On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 10:11:48PM +, Adrian Wontroba wrote: > On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 03:14:22PM -0500, Christopher Masto wrote: > > I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an > > improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's > > been a while, or it's

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Andre Albsmeier writes: > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > since 3.x-STABLE still has some problems which makes it impossible > for me to use it on production machines. No, 2.2 is dead now exept for bug fixes. Anyway, you're a committer - who's stopping you? DE

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Smith
> : > :Personally, I have to side with Matt. > :I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. > :That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely > :to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just > :complicates things. > : > :I like the idea of havin

Re: was: some woes about rc.conf.site

1999-02-09 Thread Adrian Wontroba
On Sun, Feb 07, 1999 at 03:14:22PM -0500, Christopher Masto wrote: > I haven't used it yet, but I definately think the idea is an > improvement. I hate trying to update /etc after an upgrade.. if it's > been a while, or it's between major versions, it can take a very > significant amount of time.

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Personally, I have to side with Matt. :I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. :That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely :to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just :complicates things. : :I like the idea of having all the "defau

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I like the idea of having all the "default knobs" in one file. > I recommend /etc/rc.conf.defaults The problem is that this doesn't scale. We (Mike and I) already debated this one back and forth for awhile and decided that quite a few files in /etc were due to be ".defaulted" and if this were k

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Richard Wackerbarth
Personally, I have to side with Matt. I like to have ALL of the files in one directory. That way I can "grep ntpd /etc/rc*" and find ALL the line that are likely to affect it. Moving some of the files into another directory just complicates things. I like the idea of having all the "default knobs"

FreeBSD Crippleware (was Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/)

1999-02-09 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:34:52 PST, Steve Kargl wrote: > > How can we make this any clearer to you? Its fine to say `I don't > > want to see DHCP in the base system' when you have the choice > > of getting a static IP. A lot of the emerging high-speed access > > providers aren't giving you that op

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> If you want to put 'read only' junk into /etc/defaults, then why aren't > you also sticking /etc/rc, /etc/rc.network, /etc/rc.firewall, etc etc etc > into /etc/defaults ? It makes no sense to have an /etc/defaults/ > directory if you are still mixing read-only and user-modifiabl

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Which rc.conf do you mean? :) The one in defaults/ will do everything the old one did save source rc.conf.site. - Jordan > >Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 > >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > >Since that made rc.conf.site obsolete, it was taken out of the > >configuration. Please move it t

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. :> Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. : :Until you have to upgrade to the latest set of "knobs"; that problem :is something I think people are not focusing sufficiently on in :commenting only on the down

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. :> Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. : :Erm... I thought that the point of /etc/defaults/rc.conf was that one :wouldn't touch it, and only work with rc.conf? : :(Haven't looked at the change myself, as

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. > Considerably less simple and quite unobvious. Until you have to upgrade to the latest set of "knobs"; that problem is something I think people are not focusing sufficiently on in commenting only on the downsides o

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Bob K
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Sniff. I liked rc.conf where it was. /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf. > /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.conf.local. Simple and obvious. > > Now we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf, and /etc/rc.conf.local. > Considerably less simple and quite uno

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:>configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you :>be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are :>now updating your /etc from -current or -stable sources (not likely to :>be all that many people). This change will also be in 3.1. : :OK; I gather that (

Re: Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread David Wolfskill
>Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:21:09 -0800 >From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" >Since that made rc.conf.site obsolete, it was taken out of the >configuration. Please move it to rc.conf on your system, should you >be one of those folks who installed from an earlier snapshot and are >now updating your /etc fro

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Smith
> Mike Smith wrote: > >In a situation like that, you would just tune the dhcp client not to > >ask for a lease on that interface. You know you've done something > >silly; there's a mechanism to stop it breaking things. What more could > >you ask for? > > POLA. Currently, an interface that is

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Tony Finch
Mike Smith wrote: > >> I've got a machine on the DHCP required network with two NICs. Currently >> I'm only using one of them and thus don't have it listed in >> ``network_interfaces''. So it just happily sits there. IMHO we >> shouldn't try to dhcp configure it. It will just fill up logs as i

Heads up! /etc/rc.conf.site is dead.

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Rather that listen to people wail over the next few months, it was decided instead to go to a slight variation on the previous theme in hopes that more people will be happy with the compromise. In essence, what used to be everything in /etc/rc.conf has moved to /etc/defaults/rc.conf and this file

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Smith
> > I would greatly appreciate to see this thing go into the tree. I > still have to build a measurement system in our lab (you remeber, > John :-)) and people there are talking about linux already :-(. > > Don't shoot me, but I would like to see it in 2.2.x if possible, > since 3.x-STABLE still h

Re: Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!!

1999-02-09 Thread Khetan Gajjar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Maxim Sobolev wrote: MS> It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried MS> away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously MS> for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid

HEADS UP: Spontaneous reboots

1999-02-09 Thread Blaz Zupan
Everybody who is experiencing spontaneous reboots under 3.0-STABLE or 4.0-CURRENT (and did not experience them with 2.2.8 or earlier) and cannot find any indication of what could be wrong (nothing on the console and nothing in syslog), please send me (in *private* mail) the output of "dmesg" on you

Re: gpib driver - does anybody use it?

1999-02-09 Thread Andre Albsmeier
On Mon, 08-Feb-1999 at 17:44:33 -0700, John Galbraith wrote: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > Steve Kargl writes: > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > I stumbled upon the (undocumented) gpib driver today [...] > > > Actually, John Galbraith has written > > > a better driver for the Nati

Re: SVR4 module doesn't load

1999-02-09 Thread Blaz Zupan
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Viren R. Shah wrote: > I do have "pseudo-device streams" in my kernel config. Is there > anything else that I require? Yes, I needed to add "options KTRACE". Blaz Zupan, b...@medinet.si, http://home.amis.net/blaz Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsub

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Smith
> > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > > > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet " line. > > > > then specify a 'DHCP' token to have all non-listed interfaces do the > > DHCP thing, eg: > > > > network_interfaces="lo0 dhcp" > > Hum... can you give a little more

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Daniel Eischen
> May I suggest looking at the OpenBSD dhcp client/server? I'm not sure > which one they're derived from, but the CHANGES file lists a bunch of > bug and security fixes. It looks like they're using the ISC dhcp client (and server). Dan Eischen eisc...@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to m

SVR4 module doesn't load

1999-02-09 Thread Viren R. Shah
Is anyone having problems loading the SVR4 module? I have it loading up thru loader.rc, and I get: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02a3000. Preloaded splash_image_data "/boot/splash.bmp" at 0xf02a309c. Preloaded elf module "splash_bmp.ko" at 0xf02a30ec. Preloaded elf module "cd9660.ko" at 0xf

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union :> from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once :> in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size. :> :> This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris. : :There were sever

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread David O'Brien
> > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet " line. > > then specify a 'DHCP' token to have all non-listed interfaces do the > DHCP thing, eg: > > network_interfaces="lo0 dhcp" Hum... can you give a little more of the approach?

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Holling
> Ok! So I'll stop passing on this information, I'll try it again. Last > time I used ISC-dhclient, it did infact REQUIRE a configuration file. > Now a zero length file might of done the trick.. but it bitched about a > non-existent file. and would not fetch an IP address for me when I ran > it.

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Parag Patel
May I suggest looking at the OpenBSD dhcp client/server? I'm not sure which one they're derived from, but the CHANGES file lists a bunch of bug and security fixes. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Parag Patel
Just wanted to mention something that I haven't seen mentioned here in all the flaming and whatnot. OpenBSD ships out-of-the-box with dhcp client support available as an install option. This turned out to be very nice when I was installing it on one of my friend's Sparcs. His network is on a

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread mike ryan
on Feb 9, David O'Brien wrote: > > What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect > > rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet " line. > > Rather you wo

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Mike Smith
> > What impact will this have on the rc files? How will it affect > > rc.conf, seeing as it overrides several values therein? > > Most basic, you would have ``network_interfaces="lo0 fxp0"'' as usual, > but no "ifconfig_fxp0="inet " line. Actually, I'm not sure I'd want to be that locked

Re: DHCP bpf alternatives

1999-02-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> Erm, you forgot to include the patches to do this... I'll leave that to the anti-bpf fanatics (who can also supply patches to eliminate /dev/[k]mem while they're at it). I'm quite happy seeing ISC dhclient move into /sbin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe f

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Mikhail Teterin
> Wackerbarth wrote: > > > I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client is > > being made on the basis that David has commit privledges and I do > > not. > > It's not. It's being made on the basis that David took the initiative > and did the work, and you did not. I think, he d

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:25 AM -0800 2/9/99, David O'Brien wrote: > I already have a bmaked ISC v2 dhclient. I bmaked both so I would > more informated about how easy either would be to add to the tree. > > I will spend some time today and reflect on which client I still > prefer in import. Does anyone have a good f

Re: DHCP bpf alternatives

1999-02-09 Thread Mark Murray
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > An alternative to dhclient and bpf would be to add an ioctl that would > force an interface to initiate a DHCP configuration. This would allow > for something like: > > ifconfig ep0 dhcp > > Of course, this means moving the entire DHCP state engine into the > ke

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread perlsta
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > > -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ). > > Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union > from another host. My own,

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread John Polstra
In article , Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client is > being made on the basis that David has commit privledges and I do > not. It's not. It's being made on the basis that David took the initiative and did the work, and you did not. -- Joh

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Mikhail Teterin
> Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ). Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once in a whil

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread John Polstra
In article <19990209003618.b19...@relay.nuxi.com>, David O'Brien wrote: > Maybe Gary isn't yelling loud enought, so let me try. > > I AM part of the FreeBSD Project. I'm contributing about as much as > I possibly can. David, please Just Do It. As is often the case, the loudest of the obstructi

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Matthew Dillon writes: :> union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times :> trying to get them to work. : :Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union :mounts ('mount -o union') are not. : :DES :-- :Dag-Erling Smorgrav - d...@flood.ping.uio.no

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread John Fieber
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > > PlatformHas DHCP > > > > Irix 6.5Yes > > Solaris 2.5.1 No > Solaris 2.6 Yes > > You should have used a mor

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Matthew Dillon writes: > union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times > trying to get them to work. Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union mounts ('mount -o union') are not. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - d...@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscri

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:27:44AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Platform Has DHCP > > Irix 6.5 Yes > Solaris 2.5.1 No Solaris 2.6 Yes You should have used a more modern Solaris. It helps your argment. :-)

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > union mounts are broken. I must have panic'd my test box 50 times > trying to get them to work. > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated > -o union type of mount That is a union mount. Which is it -- broken or not? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Woll

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 09:59:52AM -0600, Charlie ROOT wrote: > If someone will agree to commit the files, I'd be happy to supply > the pieces for the ISC DHCP2 client to drop in. I already have a bmaked ISC v2 dhclient. I bmaked both so I would more informated about how easy either would be to a

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:>> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS : :> Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from :> working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course). : :Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much. :unionfs (which should have been

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Alex Perel
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > On 09-Feb-99 Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > And just WHERE is the package?? Often on an NFS or FTP server, no?? > > > > And just HOW am I to communicate with that NFS or FTP server?? > > > Drop FreeBSD cd-rom into tray (or cadd

Re: Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!!

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Maxim Sobolev writes: > It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried > away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously > for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid of > it!!! If you followed the appropriate lists, you'd know t

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread sthaug
> To insert some reality into this discussion, a quick survey at the > office shows: > > Platform Has DHCP > > Irix 6.5 Yes > Solaris 2.5.1 No ... and Solaris 2.6 has DHCP. > HP/UX 10.20 Yes > Linux (RH 5.x)

DHCP bpf alternatives

1999-02-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
An alternative to dhclient and bpf would be to add an ioctl that would force an interface to initiate a DHCP configuration. This would allow for something like: ifconfig ep0 dhcp Of course, this means moving the entire DHCP state engine into the kernel ... --lyndon To Unsubs

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Wayne Scott
From: Charlie ROOT > Although it is somewhat larger, the ISC dhcp2 client has significantly > more flexability WRT options beyond the bare basics. > > I would recommend that the default client on HD based systems be the > ISC client because of that flexability. I have to agree here. The problem

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Mark Murray
"David O'Brien" wrote: > I was taking the "contribute code, not ideas with no one to act on them" > route. Hear, Hear! Please import this, it will certainly make may (and many of those I work with) lives a $#!tload easier. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Uns

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 8 Feb, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> These should be left has ports. > > Can't really get away with that anymore - too many people require > DHCP for very basic bootstrapping. To insert some reality into this discussion, a quick survey at the office shows: PlatformHas DHCP

Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: >> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me, >> which I'm going to implement. It involves retargeting >> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS > Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from > working (unless you have better patches th

Buildworld FAILS for 2 days!!!!

1999-02-09 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Hi folks, It seems to me that most of all people in the developer list carried away with DHCP issue and just ignore that buildworld fails continuously for 2 days in /usr/src/sys/i386/ibcs2/ibcs2_ipc.c. Please get rid of it!!! Sincerely, Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org

Re: DHCP, install, security

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not > into the GENERIC kernel? That's already going to happen since the dhcp client isn't going to be very useful otherwise. Since this affects only the installation kernel, it's nothing that anyone should take issue with. - Jordan

DHCP, install, security

1999-02-09 Thread Mikhail Teterin
How about putting bpf functionality into install-kernel, but not into the GENERIC kernel? If the install required the use of dhcp, sysinstall should yell about having to rebuild the kernel with bpf-device in. On the other hand, the security-concerned ISPs and others can rebuild their kernels to r

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Archie Cobbs
Sean Eric Fagan writes: > >There is NO config file which means its damn annoying for you to tweak how > >it works.. > > Would you please settle on a set of misinformation and stick with it? > > isc-dhcp's client *does* have a very extensive configuration file. Same > parser as the server. > >

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Charlie ROOT
I do not dispute that he "likes" the WIDE client. However, his choice seems to be based on familarity rather than CURRENT technical evaluation. I have (recently) tried both clients. For the simple case, both work satisfactorily. The ISC client/server (pl10) builds right out of the box. I prefer

Re: New boot blocks + serial hardware handshaking?

1999-02-09 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 07:39:06PM +0200, Robert Nordier wrote: > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > As the one who did the actual coding, I can confirm that the approach > adopted in both the new bootblocks and the boot loader is virtually > identical to that used in the older (biosboot) bootblocks. In

Re: adding DHCP client to src/contrib/

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: > The issue, as I understand it, is to get a reply from an unknown server > (who has an IP address), while you have no IP address. You also have to send a packet *from* 0.0.0.0 (since you have no IP address). I'm almost irritated enough to consider fixing this this week. -GAWollman

Re: Which DHCP client

1999-02-09 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I object to the idea that the selection of which dhcp client > is being made on the basis that David has commit privledges > and I do not. Further, it is clear that David has not used a > recent release of the isc client and is biasing his opinion > with false assertions. H. From where I'm

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