Re: [Frameworks] silent speed 16mm

2025-01-05 Thread Scott Dorsey
> Interesting to note that the Lumiere cinematographe (hand-cranked both as > camera and projector) was intended to run at 16fps - but who was timing > that? The operator! It is amazing how consistent you can be counting cadence while turning the crank. And 16 fps on an eight-frames-per-crank-t

[Frameworks] silent speed 16mm

2025-01-05 Thread Tom Whiteside
I've used a variety of 16mm projectors over the years and often switch between silent and sound speed while trying to run two identical prints in sync (or as close as possible). No matter whether the B&Hs and the Pageants I have used specify 16fps or 18 fps, either speed can vary quite a bit. So I

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Sandy McLennan
Love the B&H 273. To know what speed the rotating knob sets, make a set of short loops of film, hole-punched at 24, 18, 16, slower! Project them while listening to a metronome app on phone. Dial in your speed so holes sync with 60bpm clicks. Nice self-sound with this projector, and it is gentle. Wi

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
Pageants are my favorite for 16mm 24fps projection, because they've been good to me in terms of staying functional and not eating film. Which sadly wasn't the case with more modern slot loads or (eek!) auto-loads. The "not the brightest" issue matters though, which is due in part to the available

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Brandon Paterno
I was gonna say that I’ve been having trouble finding a projector which can do both 16 and 24 speeds. I *think* some of the (earlier!) Bell + Howell projectors with electronic adjustable speed controls run at 16 at the low end and 24 at the fastest. I’ve been using a B+H model 273 which has no

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
"Official" silent speed for 16mm is 16fps, and for many (of the few) experimental films intended to be shown at silent speed, getting the correct speed matters, even if the work is abstract. That is, there may be no obvious issue like a keystone cops speed-up on human motion, so the projection look

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Scott Dorsey
The main problem with pageants is the poor sound quality because of the lack of a lower sprocket but this is absolutely not a problem for silent films! They are not the brightest thing on the screen but that is often not a problem. Be sure the felt pad inside is kept wet with oil! --scott --

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-04 Thread Anna Kipervaser
I use Kodak Pageants like it's my job. They project at 18fps and 24fps. The AV-126-TR uses the old incandescent bulbs, while the 250E & 250S use halogen bulbs. Pageants are dependable and solid. If you're looking for variable speed projectors that can also do single frames, I go with the Kodak Anal

Re: [Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-03 Thread Scott Dorsey
You want a classroom projector or something for big screens? Personally I am a fan of the 300-series Bell and Howell projectors, the larger and older ones. No belts, no rubber parts other than shockmounts. Lens selection is somewhat limited, though. They can be adjusted for either 16 or 18 fps

[Frameworks] Silent Speed 16MM Projector Advice

2025-01-03 Thread Jay Hudson
What are the best projectors to get for 16/18 fps? I looking in terms of reasonable price, serviceable, with a normal reel capacity, etc. Any information would be greatly appreciated. --Jay -- Frameworks mailing list Frameworks@film-gallery.org https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/fr