Re: [BUG] r200 dri driver deadlocks

2004-09-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 16:36 -0400, Patrick McFarland wrote: > On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:14:55 -0400, Michel DÃnzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What version of the DRI driver? > > Where do I look for that? Where did you get r200_dri.so from? -- Earthling Michel DÃnzer | Debian (powerpc

[Bug 1003] running two instances of glsnake locks X

2004-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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[Bug 1003] running two instances of glsnake locks X

2004-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Felix Kühling
I realized, that from a snapshot point of view, it would be easy to cope with a separate library module + additional binary interface. As far as I gathered the main argument against another binary interface is that upgrading one driver would break the other ones that may still be installed on the s

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread David
El SÃbado, 4 de Septiembre del 2004 11:06 PM, Lee Revell escribiÃ: > OK, please explain how I install the latest Unichrome DRI driver. The > docs at the unichrome site are correct except they refer to this guide > which is out of date: > > http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Building Yes,

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:17:40PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > Actually after sleeping on this, I've just realised technically whether > the code is in a core separate module or driver module is only going to > affect maybe 5% of the work and the Makefiles/Kconfig at the end, so > following the

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
Actually after sleeping on this, I've just realised technically whether the code is in a core separate module or driver module is only going to affect maybe 5% of the work and the Makefiles/Kconfig at the end, so following the principles of a)least surprise, b) kernel must remain stable, I think I

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:31:16 -0700, Eric Anholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mean all the rearchitecting you've been doing to make the driver > behave like it actually attaches to specific device? Yeah, BSD has > wanted that since the very beginning. I just never implemented it > because I di

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > How about getting the VIA DRI module into the kernel? As soon as it is secure it goes in, the VIA DRI developers are working on it at the moment, and it should be suitable for merging soon... we also have out of kernel DRM drivers for mach64 and savage that would pose security issues if shipp

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:42, Dave Jones wrote: > If dri stuff isn't getting into distros fast enough, take it up with the > distros. For Fedora at least, we have a very quick turnaround right now. How about getting the VIA DRI module into the kernel? Lee --

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:26, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:24:32PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > > > A user without a clue should better be using a supported distribution. > > > If he used Fedora Core2 instead of the totally outdated and unsupported > > > RH9 he'd alread

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 08:25, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > Okay, let's take Debian stable as an example. How do you get an agpgart > that deals with the i915 into the 2.4.18 kernel woody ships? The same way you demonstrate that the driver you just wrote is stable. Run it for a few years and get bac

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Eric Anholt
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 08:59, Jon Smirl wrote: > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:43:13 +0200, Simon 'corecode' Schubert > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think David Airlie broke it already before. Yes I am using DRM on > > DragonFlyBSD and yes there are lots of people who'd like to use it on > > *BSD too. I

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Eric Anholt
On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 23:04, Jon Smirl wrote: > We're going to have to work out a GPL/BSD solution for the fbdev > merge. There are 80,000 lines of code in the fbdev directory. It is > impractical to rewrite them. It's probably also impractical to > relicense the fbdev code BSD since we would have

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 06:54, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Just out of interest, what would the scenario be if you do if you could > > get a compatible driver? > > It's one of the major successes I feel of the DRI project, those > snapshots allowed people with Radeon IGP chipsets to get 3d accelerati

Re: [BUG] r200 dri driver deadlocks

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick McFarland
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:14:55 -0400, Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What version of the DRI driver? Where do I look for that? -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Alex Deucher
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:25:10 -0700 (PDT), Jon Smirl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Dave Airlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Will this redesign allow for multiple 3d accelerated cards in the > > same > > > machine? could I have say an AGP radeon and a PCI radeon or a AGP > > > matrox and

[Bug 1289] New: Savage color depth 24 bpp looks like 16 bpp

2004-09-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon
.tar.bz2 savage-20040904-linux.i386.tar.bz2 Kernel 2.6.5-7.108 (SuSE) with preempt and DRI enabled. grep bpp /var/log/XFree86.0.log (++) SAVAGE(0): Depth 24, (++) framebuffer bpp 32 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) SAVAGE(0): [drm] bpp: 32 depth: 24 (II) SAVAGE(0): bpp:32

Re: [BUG] r200 dri driver deadlocks

2004-09-04 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 05:16 -0400, Patrick McFarland wrote: > > All of this was tested with a virgin 2.6.8.1 (with debug info and > frame pointers enabled) and Debian's XFree86 4.3.0.1, [...] What version of the DRI driver? -- Earthling Michel DÃnzer | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI deve

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:43:16 +0100, Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You may think that X on GL (gnuLonghorn) is a crazy idea. But > > comptetive pressures from the Mac and Longhhorn will force us into > > doing it so or later. I'd rather do it sooner. > > > > Not a crazy idea at all,

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Jon Smirl wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:52:35 +0100, Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently we have to perform two merges and three releases to get a driver to a users: Merge DRM CVS --> LK Release stable kernel --> Picked up by vendor Release stable Mesa 3D

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Jon Smirl wrote: On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:36:38 +0100, Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon Smirl wrote: Would this work? drm/shared and drm/bsd directories are BSD licensed. drm/linux is GPL licensed. This just isn't true. What on earth makes you think this? Read the license before you m

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Alan Cox
On Sad, 2004-09-04 at 13:04, Dave Airlie wrote: > I've got nothing to do with Tungsten whatsoever, I've never met any of the > other major DRI developers, my worries here is this is turning into a > company issue, people keep mentioning Fedora this and that, Fedora is one > distro, I happen to use

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Anish Mistry
On Saturday 04 September 2004 11:43 am, Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: > On 04.09.2004, at 08:04, Jon Smirl wrote: > > So what do we do about FreeBSD? For example I need to bring in the I2C > > and mode setting code from the GPL fbdev radeon driver into the DRM > > one. I don't want to rewrite a

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:36:38 +0100, Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jon Smirl wrote: > > > Would this work? drm/shared and drm/bsd directories are BSD licensed. > > drm/linux is GPL licensed. > > This just isn't true. What on earth makes you think this? Read the license > before you

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:43:13 +0200, Simon 'corecode' Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think David Airlie broke it already before. Yes I am using DRM on > DragonFlyBSD and yes there are lots of people who'd like to use it on > *BSD too. I just didn't want to stomp right in and scream "you brea

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Samstag, 4. September 2004 17:36 schrieb Jon Smirl: > On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:52:35 +0100, Keith Whitwell > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Currently we have to perform two merges and three releases to get a > > driver to a users: > If DRM went into a kernel development model > > R

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:52:00 +0100 (IST), Dave Airlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We're going to have to work out a GPL/BSD solution for the fbdev > > merge. There are 80,000 lines of code in the fbdev directory. It is > > impractical to rewrite them. It's probably also impractical to > > reli

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
On 04.09.2004, at 08:04, Jon Smirl wrote: So what do we do about FreeBSD? For example I need to bring in the I2C and mode setting code from the GPL fbdev radeon driver into the DRM one. I don't want to rewrite a 1,000 lines of working driver code. How many DRM users are there on FreeBSD? I've only

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Jon Smirl
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:52:35 +0100, Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently we have to perform two merges and three releases to get a driver to > a users: > > Merge DRM CVS --> LK > Release stable kernel --> Picked up by vendor > Release stable Mesa 3D >

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:08:26PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > So, we are coming out of a period of history where it was extremely > difficult to get our drivers to users through the 'official' channels - to > the extent that many people have given up on the possibility of

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Sam Ravnborg
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:54:06AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Just out of interest, what would the scenario be if you do if you could > > get a compatible driver? > > you just grab a DRI snapshot which contains new userspace and DRM, and > install it... it builds the DRM against your curren

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > properly with the core... > > or they just ship their own matching core .c file as well > > Lets face it, for the core there are 2 things that are entirely at > conflicts: small interface and core being useful. > I rather go for the useful side myself. It's still useful, it just is built i

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Again, how is drm different from scsi or net or whatever drivers except > that you need a big userlevel component aswell? Well I've always wondered why I couldn't download drivers for my i845 on board soundcard for Redhat 9 (back when it was a supported distro), why the hell did I need to go i

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > releases, I would like to give those people a chance to use their graphics > cards, and the snapshots are not the only way, Intel have i915 Linux > drivers on their site from TG, they work on most kernels/distros, I

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
> If we make a library split that sits inside the kernel, their DRM can > stop working if someone busts the interface, hence the idea of having the > core reg/dereg in the kernel, and locking it down, then they can ship a > complete DRM source tree, and do as they wish as long as they interface >

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > I've got nothing to do with Tungsten whatsoever, I've never met any of the > other major DRI developers, my worries here is this is turning into a > company issue, people keep mentioning Fedora this and that, Fedora is one > distro, I h

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:17:54PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > Lets take an example, I'm DA graphics card vendor, I write a DRI driver > for my brand new 3d graphics cards (they rock btw :-), people buy loads of > them, I want to give them something on my website that they can deploy to > use their

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:08:26PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > So, we are coming out of a period of history where it was extremely > difficult to get our drivers to users through the 'official' channels - to > the extent that many people have given up on the possibility of them > working

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Are you suggesting for instance, that RedHat might pick up individual drivers > out of Xorg or better still Mesa, rather than waiting for a full stable > release? That would probably be the biggest help - by comparison kernel > releases are very frequent. Lets take an example, I'm DA graphics

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:04:17PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > releases, I would like to give those people a chance to use their graphics > cards, and the snapshots are not the only way, Intel have i915 Linux > drivers on their site from TG, they work on most kernels/distros, I get a > machine

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Jones wrote: There's already a per-distro mechanism to make all this all nice and transparent to end-users. In Fedora, we even have 3 (apt-get/yum/up2date). The problem is when 3rd parties like the DRI project expect users not to use the tools they are familiar with, and expect them to run of

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> Even if you are not speaking for Thungesten you pretty much show that > Thungsten has developers that in an area that overlaps with their works are > not willing to get things done the kernel way. I don't know if you anyone can claim the "kernel way" except Linus, if he decideds our argument is

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:41:40PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > > > >Download a new kernel.org kernel or petition the fedora legacy folks to > > > >include a drm update. The last release RH-9 kernel has various > > security > > > >and data integrity issues anyway, so you'd be a fool to kee

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Jones wrote: If dri stuff isn't getting into distros fast enough, take it up with the distros. For Fedora at least, we have a very quick turnaround right now. Indeed. Maybe it's time to try again. There will always be a lag, though, and the binary snapshots were only ever intended as a mec

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:41:40PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > Please don't think that I'm talking for Tungsten at this or any other time on > the DRI list. I'm talking for myself and have never attempted to convey here > or elsewhere a "company" view without explictly flagging it up as such.

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:30:33PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: So, I've got this file "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". Lets suppose my older brother comes in & compiles it up for me & I'm now running 2.6.8.1 - it's implausible I know, but let's make it easier for you. Now, why isn

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:12:31PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable kernel' link. > > > I got a file called "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". I tried to install this but > > > nothing happened. My i915 still doesn't work. What do I do now?

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Jones wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:30:54AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > >>Sure, explain to me how I should upgrade my RH-9 system to work on my new > >>i915? > > > >Download a new kernel.org kernel or petition the fedora legacy folks to > >include a drm update. The last release R

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:30:33PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > >>So, I've got this file "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". Lets suppose my older brother > >>comes in & compiles it up for me & I'm now running 2.6.8.1 - it's implausible > >>I know, but let's make it easier for you. Now, why isn't my i915 wo

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:18:24PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: You didn't stick with that long Christoph. We're not even past first base yet. Let's try again? So, I've got this file "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". Lets suppose my older brother comes in & compiles it up for me &

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:30:54AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > >>Sure, explain to me how I should upgrade my RH-9 system to work on my new > >>i915? > > > >Download a new kernel.org kernel or petition the fedora legacy folks to > >include a drm update. The last release RH-9 kernel has va

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:24:32PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > A user without a clue should better be using a supported distribution. > > If he used Fedora Core2 instead of the totally outdated and unsupported > > RH9 he'd already have a kernel with i915 support on his disk. > > What about D

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > A user without a clue should better be using a supported distribution. > If he used Fedora Core2 instead of the totally outdated and unsupported > RH9 he'd already have a kernel with i915 support on his disk. What about Debian? they would have a 2.4 kernel.. is Debian not supported, no-one tol

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:18:24PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > You didn't stick with that long Christoph. We're not even past first base > yet. Let's try again? > > So, I've got this file "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". Lets suppose my older brother > comes in & compiles it up for me & I'm now runnin

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:54:06AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > Just out of interest, what would the scenario be if you do if you could > > get a compatible driver? > > you just grab a DRI snapshot which contains new userspace and DRM, and > install it... it builds the DRM against your cur

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:30:54AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: include a drm update. The last release RH-9 kernel has various security and data integrity issues anyway, so you'd be a fool to keep running it. OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:12:31PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable kernel' link. > > > I got a file called "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". I tried to install this but > > > nothing happened. My i915 still doesn't work. What do I do now? > >

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable kernel' link. > > I got a file called "patch-2.6.8.1.bz2". I tried to install this but > > nothing happened. My i915 still doesn't work. What do I do now? > > You could start getting a clue. > Which is the problem, Keith was

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Nick Piggin
Keith Whitwell wrote: Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:23:35AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: Actually regulat users do. And they do by pulling an uptodate kernel or using a vendor kernel with backports. This model would work for video drivers aswell. Sure, explain to me how I

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:30:54AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > > include a drm update. The last release RH-9 kernel has various security > > and data integrity issues anyway, so you'd be a fool to keep running it. > > OK, I've found www.kernel.org, and clicked on the 'latest stable kernel' lin

Re: [BUG] r200 dri driver deadlocks

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
Can you insmod the radeon drm module with drm_opts=debug do the test and send on the trace, it may be getting wedged somewhere unexpected... Dave. > > All of this was tested with a virgin 2.6.8.1 (with debug info and > frame pointers enabled) and Debian's XFree86 4.3.0.1, using DarkPlaces > and

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Nick Piggin wrote: Keith Whitwell wrote: Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:23:35AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: Actually regulat users do. And they do by pulling an uptodate kernel or using a vendor kernel with backports. This model would work for video drivers aswell. Sure,

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Just out of interest, what would the scenario be if you do if you could > get a compatible driver? you just grab a DRI snapshot which contains new userspace and DRM, and install it... it builds the DRM against your current kernel, now if your current kernel has a DRM module built-in which is a

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:23:35AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: Actually regulat users do. And they do by pulling an uptodate kernel or using a vendor kernel with backports. This model would work for video drivers aswell. Sure, explain to me how I should upgrade my RH-9 s

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:23:35AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > > Actually regulat users do. And they do by pulling an uptodate kernel or > > using a vendor kernel with backports. This model would work for video drivers > > aswell. > > Sure, explain to me how I should upgrade my RH-9 system to

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:45:33AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata driver. But regular users don't tend to pull down new scsi o

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:48:47AM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > true but the DRM isn't only about the Linux kernel, the DRM is a lowlevel > > component of a much larger system, of which the DRM just has to reside in > > the kernel, > > > you seem to be confusing 2 things. > > The kernel<->

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 11:43, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a > > copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata > > driver. > > true but the DRM isn't only about the Linux kernel, the DRM is a lowleve

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:45:33AM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote: > > Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a > > copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata > > driver. > > But regular users don't tend to pull down new scsi or ata dr

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 10:43:39AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a > > copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata > > driver. > > true but the DRM isn't only about the Linux kernel, the DRM

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:51:24AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: Then drm_core would always be bundled with the OS. Is there any real advantage to spliting core/library and creating three interface compatibily problems? Yes we only have one binary interface, between the core an

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Umm, the Linux kernel isn't about minimizing interfaces. We don't link a > copy of scsi helpers into each scsi driver either, or libata into each sata > driver. true but the DRM isn't only about the Linux kernel, the DRM is a lowlevel component of a much larger system, of which the DRM just h

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:51:24AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > Then drm_core would always be bundled with the OS. > > > > Is there any real advantage to spliting core/library and creating three > > interface compatibily problems? > > Yes we only have one binary interface, between the core an

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 01:12:16AM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > DRM core - just the stub registration procedure and handling any > shared resources like the device major number, and perhaps parts of sysfs > and class code. This interface gets set in stone as quickly as possible > and is as min

[BUG] r200 dri driver deadlocks

2004-09-04 Thread Patrick McFarland
I'm currently using an r200 (specifically, an agp 'ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QM [Radeon 9100]') on a uniproc Pentium 3 board equipped with an intel 440bx/piix4 type chipset (the agp controller is identified as 'Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)' All of this was tes

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Airlie wrote: Let me be clear that I am unwilling to support changes to the DRM that break it's usability on other operating systems on principle. I'm in agreement on that, ... Maybe it's time to consider a fork of the DRM to allow a major experimentation of the form Jon envisages to proceed

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Let me be clear that I am unwilling to support changes to the DRM that break > it's usability on other operating systems on principle. I'm in agreement on that, ... > > Maybe it's time to consider a fork of the DRM to allow a major experimentation > of the form Jon envisages to proceed withou

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Dave Airlie wrote: drm/linux is GPL licensed. This just isn't true. What on earth makes you think this? Read the license before you make these sorts of comments, you dweeb. There shouldn't be any GPL code in there at all. I think you mis-read Keith, he said about converting it in the future to

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> > drm/linux is GPL licensed. > > This just isn't true. What on earth makes you think this? Read the license > before you make these sorts of comments, you dweeb. There shouldn't be any > GPL code in there at all. I think you mis-read Keith, he said about converting it in the future to that fo

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Dave Airlie
> We're going to have to work out a GPL/BSD solution for the fbdev > merge. There are 80,000 lines of code in the fbdev directory. It is > impractical to rewrite them. It's probably also impractical to > relicense the fbdev code BSD since we would have to locate all of the > coders. Well I've bee

Re: New proposed DRM interface design

2004-09-04 Thread Keith Whitwell
Jon Smirl wrote: Would this work? drm/shared and drm/bsd directories are BSD licensed. drm/linux is GPL licensed. This just isn't true. What on earth makes you think this? Read the license before you make these sorts of comments, you dweeb. There shouldn't be any GPL code in there at all. Kei