On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 03:52:19PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> This is sad, especially in the context that at one point the GNOME/GTK
> developers didn't know or care about apps outside of their project:
[...]
> It is telling that a developer of software
> ostensibly for the Linux desktop is una
On 02/03/16 03:04, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Twenty years ago X used to have a feature calles X resources, whereby
you could load into the X server (i.e., the screen) a set or options
keyed by a very limited kind of regular expression to specify verious
options like fonts, default colours, and the l
On Tue, 1 Mar 2016 11:04:44 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Twenty years ago X used to have a feature calles X resources, whereby
> you could load into the X server (i.e., the screen) a set or options
> keyed by a very limited kind of regular expression to specify
> verious options like fonts, def
Teodoro Santoni writes:
Any single gui project for X had a faster pace than X, and baked its
own theme specification without implementing Xresources. Even Tcl/Tk.
Xresources still exist though.
I'm one of the people who chose not to use X resources. I couldn't find a
single good thing about th
2016-03-01 17:04 GMT+01:00, Hendrik Boom :
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 02:02:13AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>> >
>> >I think, window manager user configuration more or less rests on these
>> > tasks:
>> >a) configure some menu structure to access user programs
>> That's covered by any manager suppor
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 02:02:13AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> >
> >I think, window manager user configuration more or less rests on these tasks:
> >a) configure some menu structure to access user programs
> That's covered by any manager supported by menu-xdg.
> >b) configure a keyboard structure
Hi,
I tried icewm, jwm, wmaker and now I am trying fluxbox which looks
like a promising candidate. However, fonsts are painfully small on my
17.3 inch laptop screen.
With fluxbox can I configure:
a) font sizes, types and styles
b) use a wallpaper
c) increase the height of the taskbar and the font
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:41:22PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Like, I assume many, on this mailing list, know what to do when they
> opt not to install the default window manager or desktop. However, I
> think, XFCE is a good choice, although on my T4400 2GB computer it
> tends to be r
On 02/29/2016 04:41 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi,
Hello, Edward! =)
Like, I assume many, on this mailing list, know what to do when they
opt not to install the default window manager or desktop. However, I
think, XFCE is a good choice, although on my T4400 2GB computer it
tends to be rather
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:41:22PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
> I think, window manager user configuration more or less rests on these tasks:
> a) configure some menu structure to access user programs
> b) configure a keyboard structure to access user programs
> c) configure wallpaper and scr
Hi,
Like, I assume many, on this mailing list, know what to do when they
opt not to install the default window manager or desktop. However, I
think, XFCE is a good choice, although on my T4400 2GB computer it
tends to be rather heavy. Window managers are attractive with respect
to low resource use
On Mon, 2/29/16, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: "dng"
Date: Monday, February 29, 2016, 2:30 PM
>
> I don't know if Devuan has inherited the 4.10 packaged in Debian, but I
> would heartily recommend 4.12, because the 4.1
On 2016-02-29 17:12, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
> Just to clarify about "default" desktop environment and what that
actually
> means.
>
> The "default" desktop environment is the one that gets squeezed onto the
> first CD/DVD of a set of installation media, as well as the one that's
> installed
- Original Message -
From: Stephanie Daugherty
To: hellekin ; dng@lists.dyne.org
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
Just to clarify about "default" desktop environment and what that actually
means.
The &q
Just to clarify about "default" desktop environment and what that actually
means.
The "default" desktop environment is the one that gets squeezed onto the
first CD/DVD of a set of installation media, as well as the one that's
installed if you just click "desktop environment" in tasksel without
spe
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 03:03:19PM +, hellekin wrote:
> On 02/28/2016 07:38 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > I suggest we use this mailing list for communication, and label each
> > post with the word DE in capital letters on the subject line.
> > Thus they'll end up arriving as [DNG] DE ...
On Mon, 2/29/16, hellekin wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Monday, February 29, 2016, 9:03 AM
>
> Anyway a month or two from now, Discourse will be ready to surpass
> Mailman as a mailing list manager, thanks to a grant
On 02/28/2016 07:38 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> I suggest we use this mailing list for communication, and label each
> post with the word DE in capital letters on the subject line.
> Thus they'll end up arriving as [DNG] DE ...
>
We can do that, or use Mailman topics: so if you put [DE] in your
Little late to this discussion but,
There are already some gnomish dependencies in the form of automounting via
gvfs (uses libsystemd0 already) for thunar, and the same with midori depending
on gnomes key storage backend (since it's the only implementation of such a
thing afaik).
Cheers,
ch
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 01:38:38PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> But then, to fill their pocketbooks, Gates and Jobs convinced the world
> that only geniuses could use CLI, and all of a sudden you were a
> neckbeard if you used CLI. Then Redhat jumped on the bandwagon.
To be fair, I was overjoyed
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:15:33PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:03:10 +0100
> Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
>
> > If Devuan fails to package XFCE it will be a blow for me as window
> > managers are not suitable for my eyesight.
>
> I don't think anyone suggested removing XFCE f
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:03:10 +0100
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> If Devuan fails to package XFCE it will be a blow for me as window
> managers are not suitable for my eyesight.
I don't think anyone suggested removing XFCE from Devuan. That would be
a grave error. I think they were just talking abou
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 08:22:20 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I like icewm, too, and will be trying the others you mention just in
> case I'm missing something I'm not yet aware of.
>
> I tried lxde and didn't like it -- somehow the mouse became just
> slightly jerky and slightly unresponsive.
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 21:03:05 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +, hellekin wrote:
> > On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
> > >
> > > something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good
> > > option.
> >
> > I dream of a core Devuan that is mo
Since the first days of using GNU/Linux around a decade ago, I used a
desktop that mimics Windows 9* and Windows 2000. At first, it was KDE,
but since around five years ago, KDE started to get bloated with
unwelcome additions like nepumuk and automatic file indexing which
took too much of my CPU's
On 28/02/16 13:22, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I think the above is closest to my views on the matter.
Which window manager and desktop environment I choose to use is up
to me and nothing for devuan to worry about.
I use xfce a lot and would like it to work on devuan, but don't
waste valuable time on it
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:15:13PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> El 27/02/16 13:00, Go Linux escribió:
> >Or perhaps, with Go Linux' wallpaper artwork, we*set* the fashion. Has
> >anyone seen his theme? It's pretty good.
> >
> >SteveT
> >
> >
> >
> >Correct
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 08:44:37AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2016 26 Feb 17:16 -0600, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100
> > Florian Zieboll wrote:
> >
> >
> > > IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise
> > > and rather sooner than lat
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:31:08PM +, Dave Turner wrote:
> On 28/02/16 07:03, Joel Roth wrote:
> >On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +, hellekin wrote:
> >>On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
> >>>something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option.
> >>I dream of a
On 28/02/16 07:03, Joel Roth wrote:
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +, hellekin wrote:
On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option.
I dream of a core Devuan that is modular so that the Desktop Environment
is a *blend*
El 27/02/16 13:00, Go Linux escribió:
Or perhaps, with Go Linux' wallpaper artwork, we*set* the fashion. Has
anyone seen his theme? It's pretty good.
SteveT
Correction: hellekin and I worked together on the wallpaper.;) We make quite
a team!
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 02:32:45AM +, hellekin wrote:
> On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
> >
> > something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option.
>
> I dream of a core Devuan that is modular so that the Desktop Environment
> is a *blend* that you layer on top o
On 02/27/2016 03:28 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
>
> something as minimal as possible, like above, seems a very good option.
>
I dream of a core Devuan that is modular so that the Desktop Environment
is a *blend* that you layer on top of core. That way, you can have a
choice of DEs that users can prepa
* On 2016 26 Feb 17:16 -0600, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100
> Florian Zieboll wrote:
>
>
> > IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise
> > and rather sooner than later would have to go GTK+ 3, which I see very
> > well in tune with the base m
On Fri, 2/26/16, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, February 26, 2016, 10:31 PM
Or perhaps, with Go Linux' wallpaper artwork, we *set* the fashion. Has
anyone seen his theme? It's prett
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:28:08 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
> On 26/02/16 16:23, Steve Litt wrote:
> > If LXQt reveals itself to be garbage, another alternative would be a
> > Devuan Special window manager with Openbox featuring Go Linux'
> > artwork on the background, a suitable general purpose panel,
On 26/02/16 16:23, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:17:13 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
lxde is soon to become lxqt so lxde will soon be a thing of the
past. Don't you know that if it works, it needs fixing?
If LXQt reveals itself to be garbage, another alternative would be a
Devuan
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 18:52:46 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> Well that's encouraging. I had a bad experience with Avidemux-qt and
> this wonderful program I've been using for years is now useless. But
> maybe that's more a developer than a qt problem. I'll keep an open
> mind. :)
Go Linux,
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise
> and rather sooner than later would have to go GTK+ 3, which I see very
> well in tune with the base motives of Devuan. May everybody think of
> KDE what s/he likes
On Fri, 2/26/16, aitor_czr wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: "Florian Zieboll" , "dng"
Date: Friday, February 26, 2016, 12:45 PM
El 26/02/16 13:00, Florian Zieboll escribió:
> [...] but Qt is not KDE. Devuan is hardly going to mak
El 26/02/16 13:00, Florian Zieboll escribió:
[...] but Qt is not KDE. Devuan is hardly going to make it without confederates
and I
would like a lot to see LXQt being one of them.
Florian
+1
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On 2016-02-26 09:46, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> I have been playing a bit with Siduction 14.1 when it was released some
> months ago, because it came with an LXQt Desktop.
Hi, Florian! =)
LXQt does have a lot going for it, but my time spent testing it on
Debian Sid left me with a somewhat negati
Running TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) here, on a Devuan bootstrap
base. For anyone who didn't know, it is the community-maintained kde3
fork. It works very well, ram usage on startup little over 100MB. Also
forked was qt3 (now tqt).
There are no gtk nor qt4 dependencies unless you want to add
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:17:13 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> Trinity Desktop Environment is based on an older version of KDE.
> (Think Gnome and Mate.) I always found KDE too fussy for my taste.
> But who knows how desperate I'll get if xfce goes south . . .
>
> lxde is soon to become lxqt so lx
Hello GoLinux, Steve, and Hendrik! Good to see you all again, in spite
of past disagreements.
This is just my opinion, but I don't see XFCE's future being so grim.
I think GTK's future outside of Gnome is the concern. It's been my
observation that GTK has become very Gnome-centric, and a numb
On 25/02/2016 23:00, Go Linux wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC)
>
> Go Linux wrote:
>
> ...
> I once tried lxde and was not impressed. Maybe it's improved since then.
> ...
> golinux
Moved from xfce to icewm + SpaceFM + gmrun + some decent artwork and I
love it. It just works.
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 23:17:13 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> lxde is soon to become lxqt so lxde will soon be a thing of the
> past. Don't you know that if it works, it needs fixing?
If LXQt reveals itself to be garbage, another alternative would be a
Devuan Special window manager with Openbox f
On Thu, 2/25/16, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 3:44 PM
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux:
> &g
This is sad, especially in the context that at one point the GNOME/GTK
developers didn't know or care about apps outside of their project:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
Scroll down a ways you'll find the following gem from a GNOME dev (read
the whole th
Hendrik Boom wrote:
>I cannot find a tde. Does it have another nae, or does it still need
>to be packaged?
They have repos, check this out:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
Mitt
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux:
> > I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems
> > that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish
> > fashion, featu
Steve Litt wrote:
>Xfce's always been a little shaky, and more and more it seems to be
>part of the new regime.
Count the adoption of PulseAudio also, as a new default backend for
the mixer.
>I use LXDE, which works identically every single time, has a very
>small footprint, and is completely wo
On Thu, 2/25/16, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Cc: "Go Linux"
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2016, 2:27 PM
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum a
Am Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 schrieb Go Linux:
> I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems
> that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish
> fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want to
> contemplat
On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 20:11:56 + (UTC)
Go Linux wrote:
> I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It
> seems that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in
> very gnomish fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So
> Devuan might want to cont
I sometimes hang out on the xfce forum and ran across this today. It seems
that xfce 4.14 is moving from gtk2 to gtk3 and predictably in very gnomish
fashion, features/functionality are being removed. So Devuan might want to
contemplate less gnome-driven options for future releases. Since gt
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