Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-11 Thread Mike H
Malcolm Tredinnick wrote: > Don't reopen issues that have been marked "wontfix". This mark > means that the decision has been made that we can't or won't fix > this particular issue. If you're not sure why, please ask on > `django-developers`_. > > That's

Re[2]: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-11 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
Malcolm, Thank you for clarification. Just getting used to the open-source project. BTW feeling myself very strange, because experience only in commercial software is available :-) ~Alex You wrote 11 августа 2007 г., 7:35:01: > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 09:49 +0400, Alex Nikolaenkov wrote: > [...]

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-10 Thread Malcolm Tredinnick
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 09:49 +0400, Alex Nikolaenkov wrote: [...] > > (B) Reopening tickets because you disagree with the resolution is also > > quite impolite. Bringing the issue here is the right way to go, but > > leave the ticket closed unless you can convince us to rep-open it. > I never heard

Re[4]: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
Tom, Thank you for clarification. Now that makes a lot of sense for me. ~ Alex You wrote 6 ??? 2007 ?., 20:28:20: > On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > If a core dev closes a ticket with a "wontfix", you shouldn't re-open >> > the ticket unless you've made a compelli

Re: Re[2]: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Tom Tobin
On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If a core dev closes a ticket with a "wontfix", you shouldn't re-open > > the ticket unless you've made a compelling case on django-dev and > > gotten the core devs to change their minds. "Wontfix" essentially > > means that a design deci

Re[2]: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
> On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I never heard that tickets should not be reopened if you disagree. If >> the bug is still reproducible it should be reopened. If its >> resolution is changed to "won't fix", one should point why. And >> not just - "Oh, it is good enoug

Re[2]: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
You wrote 6 ??? 2007 ?., 16:38:25: > On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BTW, Can we attach configurable plug-ins to the built-in webserver? >> (* I'm interested in possibility. Can code "case insensitive urls >> plug-in" by myself. *) > You're looking for "middleware":

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Tom Tobin
On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I never heard that tickets should not be reopened if you disagree. If > the bug is still reproducible it should be reopened. If its > resolution is changed to "won't fix", one should point why. And > not just - "Oh, it is good enough now".

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On 8/6/07, Kai Kuehne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please just learn django. Thank you. Hey, that's out of line. Around here we treat everyone with respect; Alex deserves better. Next time you feel the urge to post something of this nature, take it to Digg. Only *you* can prevent flamewars! Jac

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Kai Kuehne
Hi, On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, so moving on to your real question: > >>Here is an example of case-insensitive urls. They rock: > >>http://www.askeri.ru/PUBLISH/ > >>http://www.askeri.ru/publish/ > > > They do indeed rock. Luckily, supporting them

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-06 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On 8/6/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, Can we attach configurable plug-ins to the built-in webserver? > (* I'm interested in possibility. Can code "case insensitive urls > plug-in" by myself. *) You're looking for "middleware": http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/mid

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-05 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 09:49:49 06.08.2007 UTC+04 when Alex Nikolaenkov did gyre and gimble: AN> BTW, Can we attach configurable plug-ins to the built-in webserver? (* I'm AN> interested in possibility. Can code "case insensitive urls plug-in" by AN> myself. *) I already pointed out that Django m

Re: Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-05 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
GUYS, ME BAD. Neither dicking, nor trolling. Answers to Jacob's letter below. Thank you for your responses. > On 8/5/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>** I've posted corresponding ticket. >>http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/5090 >>Now it is closed as "won't fix". At

Re: Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On 8/5/07, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm almost certain it has to do with a combination of the regular > expression patterns for the URLs (minor contribution) and the database > collation in use (major contribution). Which, again, means that it's > not something Django is necessar

Case-insensitive URLS (was: usability issues)

2007-08-05 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On 8/5/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >** I've posted corresponding ticket. >http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/5090 >Now it is closed as "won't fix". At least the resolution should be >changed to "By Design" if you guys don't like sites built on django >bein

Re: Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread James Bennett
On 8/5/07, Brett Hoerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not on our live site. And I just made a fresh django-trunk project to > test it, didn't work there either. Although aren't resolvers just > normal Python REs, so you could possibly have set this for yourself > somehow? I'm almost certain it

Re: Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread Brett Hoerner
On 8/5/07, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Django handles both just fine, returns the same page for both. Not on our live site. And I just made a fresh django-trunk project to test it, didn't work there either. Although aren't resolvers just normal Python REs, so you could possibly h

Re: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread David Danier
> And again, I'll reiterate that the type of user who doesn't understand > case-sensitivity is the type of user who -- verified by repeated > real-world usability testing -- finds MySpace by going to Google and > typing "myspace.com" into the search box. An astonishingly high > percentage of web

Re: Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread James Bennett
Finger slipped on the "send" shortcut, continuing where I left off... On 8/5/07, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And again, I'll reiterate that the type of user who doesn't understand > case-sensitivity is the type of user who -- verified by repeated > real-world usability testing -- f

Re: Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread James Bennett
On 8/5/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Imagine that your site hosting photos has got the following urls > belonging to different users: > http://mysite.com/John/ > http://mysite.com/john. Except those aren't different URLs. And now that I'm slightly more awake I'm wondering why

Re: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 17:31:05 05.08.2007 UTC+04 when Alex Nikolaenkov did gyre and gimble: AN> Some of them do not and some do. Now a lot of people work with computer but AN> only a few are programmers and understand THE BIG DIFFERENCE. The AN> comprehensive urls are very good. You can remember t

Re[2]: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
You wrote 5 ??? 2007 ?., 17:15:11: > On 8/5/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>The urls are pretty same. But the second one causes 404 Response. >>While typing the second url the user tries to access typing its >>address and types "Simpsons" instead of "simpsons". I

Re: usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread James Bennett
On 8/5/07, Alex Nikolaenkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The urls are pretty same. But the second one causes 404 Response. >While typing the second url the user tries to access typing its >address and types "Simpsons" instead of "simpsons". In terms of >nix-like systems this is a ma

usability issues

2007-08-05 Thread Alex Nikolaenkov
Hello guys, Django is positioned as a tool for perfectionists. So there is a few questions which are very valuable for guys making the best web-sites: * Case-sensitive urls. Take a look: http://www.coastalbeat.com/news/2007/jul/30/simpsons/ http://www.coastalbeat.com/news/2007/jul/30/