Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-02 Thread Luke Plant
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > So, why not create an option for "startproject", to keep everyone (you, > me, the unexperienced, the experienced) happy? Flexibility and freedom > of choice is a nice thing: > > $ django-admin.py startproject eval quick-start > > $ django-admin.py startproject eval # us

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread James Bennett
On 6/1/06, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, why not create an option for "startproject", to keep everyone (you, > me, the unexperienced, the experienced) happy? Flexibility and freedom > of choice is a nice thing: OK, now I have to start questioning credibility. "Accomodate novice

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread Wilson Miner
On 6/1/06, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those writings (high-level, quickly, automating, no-SQL) create several > expectations to a visitor. Expectations which django currently does not > fulfill (at least in the context of a quick-start). This leads to a > unnecessary negative Use

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread Ilias Lazaridis
Adrian Holovaty wrote: > On 6/1/06, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It's a simple truth that you can't please all of the people all of the >> time, so at some point in any development process you have to sit down >> and mark out three groups: > > James, you really hit it on the head h

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Jun-06, at 8:53 PM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > I hope this doesn't get interpreted as a slight against > non-developers. Ideally developers and non-developers alike would find > Django to be a useful tool -- and, actually, that's already happening. like wilson's little howto - but he *did*

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread Adrian Holovaty
On 6/1/06, James Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's a simple truth that you can't please all of the people all of the > time, so at some point in any development process you have to sit down > and mark out three groups: James, you really hit it on the head here. My personal belief is that

Re: Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Jun-06, at 12:32 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > This would, probably, offer some benefit to novice developers, because > it's a couple less things they have to do at the outset (though it > arguably adds in some "magic" that it's better to have them > understand). But it offers zero benefit

Some thoughts on Django and usability

2006-06-01 Thread James Bennett
OK, the other thread's getting a bit long and I doubt there's much more productive discourse to be wrung from it, so let's start anew. What follows is my own rambling personal opinion, and nothing more. One of the issues that seems to have come up from the "audit" thread is that of the usability