> I seem to have inadvertently kicked over an ants nest here.
>
> I promise that the competition proposal wasn't intended to offend or
> devalue the efforts of anyone in the design community. If I have done
> so, I apologize. Please believe that what I wrote as an honest attempt
> to find a way to
Jeff, I gotta agree that if the design of Djange was developed by a
pro-person it must be redesigned by someone who'd have done at least
the same level.
Apparently, I'm not talking about redesigning. Even not about changing
colors and images - they perfectly fit for a base instance of the
framewor
Dammit. I wrote that last night, it didn't post, and I rewrote it
today. And now both show up. Great. Sorry about that.
On Feb 5, 2:40 pm, "j...@jeffcroft.com" wrote:
> As one of many talented and respected designers in the Django
> community, and also as a good friend of Wilson Miner, I'd like t
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 7:55 AM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
>
>> 1. I'm not in favor of redesigns for redesigns' sake; yes, the current
>> admin UI has been around for a while, but if we rework it, we
>> should rework it because there are actual issues with it which need
>> to be resolved.
> 1. I'm not in favor of redesigns for redesigns' sake; yes, the current
> admin UI has been around for a while, but if we rework it, we
> should rework it because there are actual issues with it which need
> to be resolved. A good first step would be to identify any such
> issues and
My thoughts, as concisely as I can express them:
1. I'm not in favor of redesigns for redesigns' sake; yes, the current
admin UI has been around for a while, but if we rework it, we
should rework it because there are actual issues with it which need
to be resolved. A good first step would
Hey folks,
Won't waste time echoing the sentiments above in many words. Contest
stupid. Ground-up rework in 2.0 (maybe). Refactor & clean up existing
stuff in the meantime. Design czar(s) needed to chaperone this work
into existence.
I don't think that I'm qualified to submit myself for a "djesig
Let me get straight to the point, since I seem to suffer from chronic
"tl;dr" syndrome as of late.
1) I'm all for a re-thinking of the admin, and I agree that a
rethinking would be better placed with a 2.0-release because of the
aforementioned backwards-compatabilitiy issues. Baby steps are better
I went ahead and replied to this on my blog[0]. I'll copy it here for
completeness.
[0]:
http://ericholscher.com/blog/2010/feb/6/role-designers-django-community/
There has been a recent discussion on the Django Development mailing list
about the role of designers in the Django community. I think
Awesome. Thanks, Alex!
On Feb 6, 11:08 am, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:02 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> > Let me also just say, on the topic of Grapelli: I think Grapelli is a
> > really great re-skinning of the current admin interface, with a few
> > IxD improvements. It's
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:02 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> Let me also just say, on the topic of Grapelli: I think Grapelli is a
> really great re-skinning of the current admin interface, with a few
> IxD improvements. It's really nicely done, and in my opinion is a
> significant improvement over
> That feeling is unfortunately, however I also don't know where it
> comes from. It seems to me the "It's Wilson's admin" thought process
> comes from the fact that no one else has volunteered/started to
> workon/proposed a new interface a new one, and apparently this is
> because of the percepti
Let me also just say, on the topic of Grapelli: I think Grapelli is a
really great re-skinning of the current admin interface, with a few
IxD improvements. It's really nicely done, and in my opinion is a
significant improvement over what we have now.
But If I ever were to put together a proposal f
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
>> None of Django's core developers are designers, nor can they necessarily
>> execute someone else's creative vision.
>
> I will not participate in any sort of "contest" because it devalues
> design, and I think you'll find that most seri
> None of Django's core developers are designers, nor can they necessarily
> execute someone else's creative vision.
I will not participate in any sort of "contest" because it devalues
design, and I think you'll find that most serious designers will say
the same thing. Good design is not a commod
On 6 February 2010 15:38, patrickk wrote:
>
> let me add a note about the "contest": if it comes down to skinning
> the admin-interface, a contest is not needed from my point of view. if
> (one day), it´s easy to "skin" the admin-interface, different skins
> will evolve (e.g., grappelli). I think
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
> * Do we need to do this in phases - e.g., phase one for design
> proposals, and then phase two for best execution of the design
> proposal we pick?
>
> * Who judges? I'm predisposed to say that the winner should be picked
> in the sam
jannis (leidel) asked me to join this thread in order to add some
comments.
we´ve been doing grappelli (http://code.google.com/p/django-grappelli/
wiki/screenshots) for a while now. grappelli initially should be a
"skin" for the admin-interface. while working on it, we´ve had issues
skinning the i
On Saturday 06 February 2010 09:07:33 j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> To expound, it seems like you guys are thinking of a re-skinning.
> I'm not talking about a re-skinning. I'm talking about a complete
> re- thinking of the admin interface. By 1.2? Not a chance. By 1.3?
> Maybe. But I wouldn't cou
Am 05.02.2010 um 12:03 schrieb Dave Jeffery:
> Sorry to completely hijack this thread but would django-mobileadmin be
> considered for inclusion to trunk (during the 1.3 timeline)? iPhones and
> other mobile devices are getting pretty prolific and I love having the mobile
> admin site available
To expound, it seems like you guys are thinking of a re-skinning. I'm
not talking about a re-skinning. I'm talking about a complete re-
thinking of the admin interface. By 1.2? Not a chance. By 1.3? Maybe.
But I wouldn't count on it. I'm talking about bringing the admin to
2010, just like you all b
We don't do a "contest" for any other code, and I'm not sure why we
would for design. Frankly, that seems ridiculous to me. I'm glad you
guys are receptive to change, but a contest? Seriously? What is this,
American Idol?
On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Ru
> That seems reasonable to me, but I'll add the stipulation that any
> design proposal must include a commitment to do the implementation,
> and must include all of the admin's pages.
Why? Not all designers can do cross browser xhtml/css (html5?) or even
django's template language, let alone the a
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
>> All due respect to Wilson (he's a great designer, a good friend, and
>> he and I have talked on several occasions about the Django admin
>> interface), I have to agree that th
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Dave Jeffery wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tezro wrote:
>> >
>> > As the most obvious thing - here's the margin/padding problem on the
>> > left/right side of the page. One of a hund
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> All due respect to Wilson (he's a great designer, a good friend, and
> he and I have talked on several occasions about the Django admin
> interface), I have to agree that the Django admin interface is dated
> and has some UI issues that c
As one of many talented and respected designers in the Django
community, and also as a good friend of Wilson Miner, I'd like to say
for the record that the attitude I've seen from the core devs about an
admin redesign/overhaul is incredibly frustrating. Whenever someone
proposes redesigning the adm
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tezro wrote:
> >
> > As the most obvious thing - here's the margin/padding problem on the
> > left/right side of the page. One of a hundreds...
> > http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4329186446_212477b9e
All due respect to Wilson (he's a great designer, a good friend, and
he and I have talked on several occasions about the Django admin
interface), I have to agree that the Django admin interface is dated
and has some UI issues that could use work. I can also confirm that
Wilson himself says this, an
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tezro wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I use Django for about a year, do websites for about 5 years, am kind
> of experienced in web, interface and techdesign, used lots of CMS or
> other site management tools (99% is a piece of crab). And I'm writing
> here because altho
Hi everybody.
I use Django for about a year, do websites for about 5 years, am kind
of experienced in web, interface and techdesign, used lots of CMS or
other site management tools (99% is a piece of crab). And I'm writing
here because although Django admin default look is successive, I think
it h
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