Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread hcarvalhoalves
Although thumbnails are something *many* sites do, everyone have wildly different requirements, and therefore, different solutions. Two simple requirements that vary so much that makes impossible to have a "standard" for thumbnails: - The API for making thumbnails. Is it a backend class? Is it a t

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Yo-Yo Ma
I have to pull out my flip flops. Last week I read the slides from the orange haired guy (Alex I believe), "Why Django sucks...", and found it interesting. Today I watched it, and maybe I'm just an audio learning sort of guy, but I am truly sold on the idea of focusing on the core APIs to make deve

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Benoit
I also agree moving away from contrib. Even comments aren't actually necessary and could be a third party project. Benoit On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:39 PM, David P. Novakovic < davidnovako...@gmail.com> wrote: > FWIW +1 for moving away from contrib for me. > > Let the core focus on core function

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread David P. Novakovic
FWIW +1 for moving away from contrib for me. Let the core focus on core functionality and people who both more qualified and passionate about "contrib" pieces to manage that functionality without being burdened by the core release cycle patterns. D On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:53 AM, burc...@gmail.

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread burc...@gmail.com
Hi everyone, I think thumbnailing functionality is much closer to django core rather than to django.contrib, and that is the most important reason for inclusion. Django provides ImageField out of the box, but why it doesn't provide ThumbnailImageField out of the box? Django provides {% lorem %}

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Justin Lilly
One of the criteria for django.contrib is that the item for inclusion is a "de facto standard implementation of common patterns"[0]. From your own admittance there are conflicting views about how this should be handled. Perhaps if someone abstracts this out a bit and has something like image proces

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread ptone
On Sep 16, 9:43 am, Patrick Altman wrote: > Another "community voice" contribution on this thread... > > I am of the opposite opinion.  I think it would be better for Django as a > whole if django.contrib approached zero.  In fact, I would have no problem > with seeing it go away completely an

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Yo-Yo Ma
I see what you're saying Chuck. It's almost like you stop evolution (natural selection, if you will) when you accept a "winner" for the trunk. The positive to weigh against is that you remove instability form external projects like this. It's a great project, but it could turn south quickly without

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Chuck Harmston
There's a negative side to contrib: once an app is included, it stifles innovation on that particular app (because it is tied to release cycles and must maintain full backwards compatibility) and discourages other developers from innovating in that same area. In order to get an application include

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Patrick Altman
Another "community voice" contribution on this thread... I am of the opposite opinion. I think it would be better for Django as a whole if django.contrib approached zero. In fact, I would have no problem with seeing it go away completely and promote auth and sessions to core but done in a way

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Brian O'Connor
Yeah, I'm aware, that's why I said '_was_ the de facto standard' :) easy-thumbnails is what I had in mind when I was agreeing with you. I think it's a great piece of software that satisfies most people's needs for image manipulation within a web development environment, and being in contrib will

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Yo-Yo Ma
sorl-thumbnails is over. The two developers who were maintaining it have started to different projects. One relies on ImageMagik and is probably not as easy for the crowds. The other is "easy-thumbnails". On Sep 16, 10:33 am, "Brian O'Connor" wrote: > I have absolutely no pull in decision making,

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Brian O'Connor
I have absolutely no pull in decision making, but maybe my message will count towards a "community voice". I think that including an image thumbnail package that integrates into the database as easily as sorl.thumbnail and easy_thumbnail are is a great idea. From what I can tell, sorl.thumbnail w

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-16 Thread Yo-Yo Ma
I have no data to support the following assertion, but it's not too unreasonable: More people probably need thumbnail images than they need comments. Comments are most used on blogs, whereas thumbnails can be used on blogs, e-commerce, photo hosting, social networking, project management, et al. It

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-15 Thread David P. Novakovic
Actually, that really did sound negative. Sorry :) Is there a trac ticket open to address this issue? Generally it'd be better to get discussion happening over a ticket and if there are serious issues that need to be addressed then they can be discussed here. I know it'd be nice to get things lik

Re: Inclusion of easy-thumbnails into Django Contrib

2010-09-15 Thread David P. Novakovic
I don't want to sound negative, but answering your own question before anyone else can doesn't change the answer ;) D On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Yo-Yo Ma wrote: > Is there any plans to incorporate > http://github.com/SmileyChris/easy-thumbnails/ > into django.contrib? I have seen so many