Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-05 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
Michael Radziej wrote: > I like Django, perhaps I rather contribute > more tiny stuff of which I feel that it will get integrated, and I have > my own patchset for Django. So what? It works fine for me. Why should I > turn to a different framework when I like the concept and code (and the > docs!)

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-05 Thread Michael Radziej
Hi, let me add my own view, and this is not a direct answer to Ian but more to the whole thread. I personally got frustrated about the way tickets are handled. And sure, Adrian is currently a very scarce and important resource. There's written enough about that and I don't want to deepen it agai

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread Deryck Hodge
On 11/4/06, iain duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to say that I think you're confusing arrogance with a desire to > > do things *RIGHT*, and a lack of time on the part of the core devs. > > This however is part of the issue. With rapid growth comes that lack of > time for the founders.

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread iain duncan
> I'd just like to point out a counter-example to those arguing that the > core developers don't listen to criticism. There was a post recently > to django-users called "Why I'm giving up on Django" : Agreed. I would like to point out that I am not saying the core doesn't listen. I'm not trying

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all, I'd just like to point out a counter-example to those arguing that the core developers don't listen to criticism. There was a post recently to django-users called "Why I'm giving up on Django" : http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/394701c83497e405/f85b5013b6

Re: Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread iain duncan
> What I've said here, repeatedly, is that if there's this problem, I > want to see examples of it, because I haven't so far, and if I'm going > to understand that there is a problem and understand where it comes > from, I *need* to see examples. There's a big, big difference between > that and "n

Re: Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread James Bennett
> well, then I do. I´m scared away. why? exactly because of what james > is writing here. > it seems that noone except the "core developers" are allowed to > criticize django - whenever something like this comes up on the list, > there´s someone who fights the arguments tooth and nail. there´s no

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread patrickk
> So far as I can tell, our biggest long-term management problem right > now is not one of scaring developers away, it's one of keeping track > of all the people who want to get involved and all the things they > want to do. You haven't yet provided an example to the contrary. well, then I do. I´

Re: Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-04 Thread James Bennett
On 11/4/06, iain duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Every single comparison of Gears to Django I have read say something to > the effect of "Gears is more community based". I think that's pretty > clear if you read between the lines. And part of what I'm going on about > is addressed in your blog

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-03 Thread iain duncan
> I would like to see examples of this; I have a pretty comprehensive > set of ego searches and tag subscriptions for Django-related postings, > and I don't get the "Django is closed, don't bother trying to get > involved" vibe as much as you apparently do. So I'd really be > interested to see exa

Re: Dev policy, was Re: Ticket spam

2006-11-03 Thread James Bennett
On 11/4/06, iain duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, this is where you are IMHO wrong. You don't get to choose which > misconceptions you throw out. The perceptions are there, obviously, or > there wouldn't be blog postings about it, and you saying they are wrong > accomplishes nothing. I was