Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-05 Thread Gabriel Hurley
I think Russell put it very well in pointing out that one of the few big technological impediments in Trac is that there isn't an easy way to see the last-modification time of tickets. Particularly to the point that it's hard to tell when a new patch is uploaded and an accepted ticket might need ne

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-04 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Tai Lee wrote: > Hi Russ, > > On Oct 5, 11:48 am, Russell Keith-Magee > wrote: > >> > Perhaps we need another triage stage for these tickets, "Needs final >> > review" or something? >> >> That's essentially what RFC is. This is an area where our documented >> proce

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-04 Thread Tai Lee
Hi Russ, On Oct 5, 11:48 am, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > There have been a couple of suggestions recently that the contributing > guide should be distilled into a specific HOWTO for new users. I > suppose the idea here would be for the contribution guide to be the > letter of the law, and the H

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-04 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Tai Lee wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > Thanks for your feedback. > >> For (1) check out http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Reports(it's >> linked in the nav). If there's anything missing there, please feel >> free to add it -- it's a wiki page. Let me know if you need help

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-04 Thread Tai Lee
Hi Jacob, Thanks for your feedback. > For (1) check out http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Reports(it's > linked in the nav). If there's anything missing there, please feel > free to add it -- it's a wiki page. Let me know if you need help > figuring out the linked query syntax. I wasn't able to

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-10-01 Thread Jacob Kaplan-Moss
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Tai Lee wrote: > I'd like to suggest (1) easy to find and use pre-defined searches to > find tickets at each stage of triage, (2) a clearer indication of the > next steps and the person responsible for it whenever a ticket is > reviewed, and (3) tickets that have be

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-30 Thread Tai Lee
On Sep 30, 7:22 pm, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > What is also needed is a whole lot more people volunteering. Any > suggestions on how to get more people doing the entirely unglamorous, > but completely necessary work will be gratefully accepted. I'd like to suggest (1) easy to find and use pre-

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-30 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
On 09/30/2010 01:22 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: So, let me be clear on what you're proposing: you acknowledge that the triage process is backlogged. Your proposal is to put extra workload onto the core team - the one group that is already a bottleneck in the process. Pretty much. I just don'

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-30 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thursday, September 30, 2010, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: > On 09/30/2010 03:46 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > Accepted tickets can be: > >  * Purely accepted, indicating that someone has verified that the > problem exists, but not how to solve it > >  * Accepted with a patch that is wrong in so

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-30 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
On 09/30/2010 03:46 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: Accepted tickets can be: * Purely accepted, indicating that someone has verified that the problem exists, but not how to solve it * Accepted with a patch that is wrong in some way (e.g., fixing the symptom, not the problem) * Accepted wi

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Waylan Limberg wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Russell Keith-Magee > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Luke Plant wrote: >>> On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 01:32 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: >>> My suggestion is about this unfortunate ticket status

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Waylan Limberg
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Luke Plant wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 01:32 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: >> >>> My suggestion is about this unfortunate ticket status -- 'Accepted'. >>> This now works as a sort of a dusty shelf: wh

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Russell Keith-Magee
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Luke Plant wrote: > On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 01:32 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: > >> My suggestion is about this unfortunate ticket status -- 'Accepted'. >> This now works as a sort of a dusty shelf: when anyone of the core team >> looks at the patch and decides that t

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Luke Plant
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 01:32 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: > My suggestion is about this unfortunate ticket status -- 'Accepted'. > This now works as a sort of a dusty shelf: when anyone of the core team > looks at the patch and decides that there's nothing wrong with it he > puts it on that shelf

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
On 09/30/2010 01:40 AM, Chuck Harmston wrote: In my world, the "accepted" status should only be used in one circumstance: when a person is actively developing under or maintaining a patch for the ticket. It's an indicator that someone has taken ownership of a ticket, to prevent duplication of eff

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Chuck Harmston
In my world, the "accepted" status should only be used in one circumstance: when a person is actively developing under or maintaining a patch for the ticket. It's an indicator that someone has taken ownership of a ticket, to prevent duplication of effort, etc. For example, I accepted ticket #25 dur

Re: ANN: Improving our decision-making and committer process

2010-09-29 Thread Ivan Sagalaev
Hello Jacob and everyone. On 09/29/2010 09:59 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: Starting today, we're going to be making some minor but significant changes to the way the Django core committer team "does business." That's about time :-). Congratulations and thank you! I have a comment and a sugges